Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nathan Bridger
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was No consensus --JForget 01:02, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Nathan Bridger
- This is a character that does not have real world information to establish notability. It is currently covered within the main article, and there is no current assertion for improvement. TTN (talk) 19:17, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep Again, I call into question why articles such as Jean-Luc Picard, Randy Marsh, Niles Crane, Dr. Who, and other fictional character articles are allowed to exist, yet, you're targeting this one. Explain. Kyle C Haight (talk) 19:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep Nominator seems to try to illustrate a point. Nominator hasn't even suggested the possibility of adressing the issue through discussion but started page blanking and redirecting and now an AfD after meeting opposition. The subject is NOT discussed is the main article. There are rooms for improvements, by making a List of seaQuest DSV characters which in my eyes has enough notability. It should go to the main article but that would make the article too big, therefor a separate article could be created. I'm opposed to this AfD but advocate efforts to merge single character articles into a List as I do agree that a single character from the show does not meet notability criteria. However, as pointed out, I see room for improvement. --Fogeltje (talk) 20:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
DeleteChanging vote. This is the problem with bios of fictional people. Once the show is no longer seen in reruns (as is the case with SeaQuest DSV), someone says "no real-world notability". Jimmy Neutron, popular now, but after his show is replaced on Nick, he will be as forgotten as "Twister" and the other kids on, say, "Rocket Power". In truth, most characters aren't notable. I enjoyed watching SeaQuest in the 90s, both on NBC and later on SciFi. And I liked Roy Scheider's portrayal of Bridger, kind of an update of his nice administrator working with sea mammals role, except in a sub rather than on Amity Island. But things like this are covered by (and speculated upon by) internet sites that serve the fandom of this series. An article about the television show (or about Roy Scheider) can have a section on Captain Bridger, albeit not one with the intimate level of detail here. Mandsford (talk) 02:20, 16 January 2008 (UTC)- Keep - It is a well written and detailed article. Adding it to the main seaQuest article would either make it to long or cut to much info. (Dr. Stantz (talk) 02:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC))
- Delete - no real world significance adduced. Eusebeus (talk) 05:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Update: Real-world background information has been added. The original complaint no longer has validity. Kyle C Haight (talk) 09:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- I'm afraid it will still not satisfy WP:N and ever will. Short character bios can be placed into a List of seaQuest DSV characters in my eyes. This would have to be placed within the article of the show, which is notable. However, that article would become unnecessarily long so a separate list can be justified. However, nominator hasn't even attempted anything like this and is simply blanking and redirecting and then taking it to AfD when he fails. My vote is not a vote to keep it indefinitely but to keep it around for a while so we can properly discuss on how to keep the information and possibly merge it into something different.--Fogeltje (talk) 10:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep OK Kyle, you've gotten me to change my vote, based on the additions about Roy Scheider's departure and the effect on the series when the lead character had to be replaced). It's a step in the right direction (look for more sources). Most of these character bios are of the "I-watch-a-lot-of-TV" variety, and it's clear that you're taking positive action to make this a keeper. I encourage everyone to look at the addition (section labelled "Background") and see what they think. To always keep all such articles or to always delete all such articles is not good policy, and I think these have to be judged on their merits. Mandsford (talk) 16:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- You still need to provide a source for that, but I don't think that should be hard, I heard about this also. Provide a good reference for it and I see less problems with this article. Perhaps a general clean-up but certainly no AfD.--Fogeltje (talk) 18:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, hopefully I have satisfied all sides of the issue by updating the article to read from a more "real-world" type perspective as well as adding in more references. Further updates to come on the other applicable articles, or, if anyone else could contribute to their betterment, please feel free. Kyle C Haight (talk) 19:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- You still need to provide a source for that, but I don't think that should be hard, I heard about this also. Provide a good reference for it and I see less problems with this article. Perhaps a general clean-up but certainly no AfD.--Fogeltje (talk) 18:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep OK Kyle, you've gotten me to change my vote, based on the additions about Roy Scheider's departure and the effect on the series when the lead character had to be replaced). It's a step in the right direction (look for more sources). Most of these character bios are of the "I-watch-a-lot-of-TV" variety, and it's clear that you're taking positive action to make this a keeper. I encourage everyone to look at the addition (section labelled "Background") and see what they think. To always keep all such articles or to always delete all such articles is not good policy, and I think these have to be judged on their merits. Mandsford (talk) 16:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- I'm afraid it will still not satisfy WP:N and ever will. Short character bios can be placed into a List of seaQuest DSV characters in my eyes. This would have to be placed within the article of the show, which is notable. However, that article would become unnecessarily long so a separate list can be justified. However, nominator hasn't even attempted anything like this and is simply blanking and redirecting and then taking it to AfD when he fails. My vote is not a vote to keep it indefinitely but to keep it around for a while so we can properly discuss on how to keep the information and possibly merge it into something different.--Fogeltje (talk) 10:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. Merge - Yes. Delete - No. --ShakataGaNai Talk 04:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
