Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NO$GBA

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Withdrawn. non-admin closure. SYSS Mouse (talk) 17:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NO$GBA

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This is a non-notable piece of software that does not have coverage in reliable sources, and will most likely never have anything besides self references to its official site. TTN 02:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - Even though the emulator homepage looks very plain and looks like not much information in it, it is the only emulator currently that can play commercial games with reasonable speed. It is used widely and easy to configure, that's why not much discussion about it is needed. Yukuku 17:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - Only emulator that can properly emulate commercial games, and due to the nature of the software there isn't likely to be much coverage in reliable sources. Although it somewhat contravenes existing policy I believe it contributes to Wikipedia per WP:IAR. --TheSeer (TalkˑContribs) 02:43, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. TTN 02:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete I'm open to being persuaded, but I can't find any good sources (most Ghits are from forums and blogs). This is the best I could find. faithless (^speak) 03:08, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete: Per the reasons stated in the previous "Keep" comment. No sources within the article, and I cannot find any sufficient, reliable, third party sources externally, which makes it appear to be not notable. - Rjd0060 03:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
• Weak Keep: Also found http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/gba/nocashgba.html. (Emulator-zone.com is the top result on Google for "game emulators" so its not just some random blog.). Faithlessthewonderboy, why do you think the link you provided doesn't establish notability? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdmkolbe (talk • contribs) 07:46, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Because it takes several sources to establish notability. Also, while I'm willing to accept it as a WP:RS, it's hardly the BBC or the New York Times. Regardless, we need a few more sources to establish notability. Like I said, if they turn up, I'm willing to switch to keep, but I'm not so sure they're out there. faithless (^speak) 08:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Struck through part of my previous statement, as it seems Eurogamer is a little more respectable a source than I gave credit for. faithless (^speak) 08:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Keep Do a Google search, this bubba gets 1,540,000 hits. Some on reputable secondary/primary sources. It helped make excellent progress in the early Game Boy emulation community. Smile Lee 12:16, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Please point us towards these reputable sources of which you speak. faithless (^speak) 13:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Here's just a few.

Main NGEMU article link
Main Nintendo DS dcEMU article link
Zophar's GBA emu list
Smile Lee 13:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Those are emulator databases that provide the file for download. In no way do they established notability. You claim your links are "articles", but they are nothing other than a listing. --Scottie_theNerd 23:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Keep: For Software information and significant articles on emulation. Keep because Wikipedia per WP:IAR --Cs california 07:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
• Comment: WP:IAR is not a valid defense. That said, the emulator has received coverage in reliable sources: First Nintendo DS Emulator Running Commercial ROMs Released!. The website, Kotaku, has editorial integrity, is ranked #1598 on Alexa, and is owned by company Gawker Media. The website and its owner both have Wikipedia articles themselves. This source is clearly reliable under WP:NOTABILITY. This would seem to imply that the emulator is notable, and so the article should be kept. --Teggles 08:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• Note that it is difficult to find sources because search engines actually search for "NO GBA" instead of "NO$GBA". Here's another source: No$GBA offers DS emulator. The website is Eurogamer, which is even more reliable than Kotaku. There we have it. Multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject. This article passes WP:NOTABILITY. My decision? Weak Keep. --Teggles 08:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC) Merge, see below. --Teggles 09:41, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• Merge to Nintendo DS emulation, which I just created. I voted above for weak keep, because the emulator is notable... however, it barely meets the standard, and content is small enough to merge. Nintendo DS emulation will be far more informative than separate emulator articles, as it will combine the information for maximum usefulness. --Teggles 09:41, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it makes sense (only) there since it is a multiple-system emulator, and primarily known for emulating GBA. — brighterorange (talk) 20:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• Close without comment Emulator articles in general are currently being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Video game emulator articles - proposed deletions. I see no particular reason for this AfD to be continued at this time while that discussion is in progress. Anomie⚔ 01:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• Reply I think the references given above show that the article passes WP:N so it can still be closed keep independent of how the discussion you reference turns out. Mdmkolbe 15:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• Close without comment per Anomie. The issue is difficult, because the topic, including this part of it, is obviously notable and should have coverage in Wikipedia. Showing that notability from reliable sources will be hard, though, and therefore the WP:VG discussion on the topic is taking place. User:Krator (t c) 15:57, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep I'd like to see more sources, but this has long been one of the most widely used Gameboy emulators, and the one that I used when I was developing GB homebrew. Waiting for the WP:VG discussion to establish notability guidelines might be a good option. — brighterorange (talk) 20:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
• Withdraw - May as well let the project discussion deal with it. I'll let someone else close it. TTN 21:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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