Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/My December (song)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. --jonny-mt 14:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] My December (song)
Non-notable, non-charting song with little or no media coverage. Fails WP:MUSIC#Songs. Previous attempts to redirect to Linkin Park have been reverted. Precious Roy (talk) 23:48, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:Music#Songs. The sole source cited is a fansite--no significant coverage in reliable sources is referenced. Nick Graves (talk) 02:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- Keep I do remember this song getting regular airplay on my local alternative station. Some of these articles -especially the first- should establish notability. Zagalejo^^^ 05:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- Comment Airplay is not enough—it has to chart nationally. And except for the first (short) article, the rest seem to be just trivial mentions of the song (mostly just listing the title). Precious Roy (talk) 09:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- Comment: Roy is correct. Zagelejo has found some very minimal coverage, which is not enough to establish notability. The verifiable information found in those sources is not enough to warrant an article separate from Linkin Park discography or an individual album article. Songs should chart nationally, win a significant award, or be covered by several notable artists to be notable. And, to quote the relevant policy: "A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; permanent stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." Nick Graves (talk) 12:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- Keep it's nothing wrong with the article if you ask me --Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 11:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- Comment: Roy and I have pointed out a specific
policy[guideline] that indicates that there is something wrong with having the article. Can you explain how you think thispolicy[guideline] is not applicable in this case, or point to a differentpolicy[guideline or policy] that trumps this argument? Nick Graves (talk) 12:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)- WP:Music is not a policy, it's a guideline. In any case, I think the song passes that guideline: it has "been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups." Linkin Park and Josh Groban are hugely notable, plus there have been a couple of remixes which have brought in other artists. Zagalejo^^^ 17:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- Granted, it is a guideline, and does not have the same weight as an official policy. However, this guideline does have widespread consensus behind it, which is weightier than a "keep" recommendation that goes no further than "I don't think there's anything wrong with this article." Of course the song has been performed by Linkin Park--it's their song. Beyond that, we have confirmation that Josh Groban made a remix. I'd say that falls far short of the "several notable artists" performing the song independently that is required to establish notability. You mention that others have made remixes. Who are they? Are they notable? Can this be confirmed in reliable sources? I will note also that the article still does not cite any reliable sources to back up any of its claims (a fansite doesn't qualify). You've found two articles (from the Denver Post and the LA Times) that get us closer to establishing notability, but it's still not enough. What else is out there, and is it enough information to justify a separate article? Nick Graves (talk) 20:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I've looked where I can, and I can't find much else. It's possible that a music magazine has written something about this song, but only a handful of magazines are electronically archived in the same manner as newspapers, so I can't say anything for sure at the moment. As for the remixes, it seems that the one I had in mind has never actually been released, so I'll just drop that line of argument.
- I still think we could cull a couple of paragraphs out of the sources that do exist, so I'm still in favor of keeping this article. At the very least, we should merge this information somewhere - and that precludes deletion, since we'd still use this as a redirect. Zagalejo^^^ 22:44, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- Granted, it is a guideline, and does not have the same weight as an official policy. However, this guideline does have widespread consensus behind it, which is weightier than a "keep" recommendation that goes no further than "I don't think there's anything wrong with this article." Of course the song has been performed by Linkin Park--it's their song. Beyond that, we have confirmation that Josh Groban made a remix. I'd say that falls far short of the "several notable artists" performing the song independently that is required to establish notability. You mention that others have made remixes. Who are they? Are they notable? Can this be confirmed in reliable sources? I will note also that the article still does not cite any reliable sources to back up any of its claims (a fansite doesn't qualify). You've found two articles (from the Denver Post and the LA Times) that get us closer to establishing notability, but it's still not enough. What else is out there, and is it enough information to justify a separate article? Nick Graves (talk) 20:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- WP:Music is not a policy, it's a guideline. In any case, I think the song passes that guideline: it has "been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups." Linkin Park and Josh Groban are hugely notable, plus there have been a couple of remixes which have brought in other artists. Zagalejo^^^ 17:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- Comment: Roy and I have pointed out a specific
- Delete A good but otherwise non-notable song. Not a major single, barely charting on some local stations. --NickPenguin(contribs) 02:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
