Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Music of South Florida

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. W.marsh 16:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music of South Florida

Music of South Florida (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Creator of article keeps restoring unsourced and off-topic information, but when you remove the cruft, this non-notable article is nothing but a one-sentence stub. "Music of South Florida" hasn't been demonstrated to deserve an article all its own, and the creator seems intent on making this a vanity article that promotes persons, styles, slang, etc. which do not fall under the topic. wikipediatrix 16:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• DeleteUndecided pending Cleanup per nom. I can find no evidence that Music of South Florida differs from Music of West Texas or Music of East Michigan. All you can really say about such a topic is "This area has many diverse musical tastes and is home to a variety of DJs and EmCees." As always, if somebody wants to point to some source which identifies the music of the lower peninsula as being quite unique and significant in it's own right, I'll happily rethink my position. -bobby 16:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment- I dunno, -bobby, looks like the "Donk" scene in South Florida may be fairly unique...Dreadstar ☥ 17:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• Above comment modified to remove proposed deletion in favor of giving the article time. -bobby 17:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per Captaintruth below!. The article can be greatly expanded, give it a stub tag and give the article some time to grow. Actually, I'm not the creator of this article - but I am seeing if I can source this article properly. I've asked for some time to do so, but Wikipediatrix seems to be a bit impatient. When this article was created, I along with several other editors, assisted a new editor in some technical aspects of creating this particular article. I think there may be some value to this one, and I'm trying to explore the background of this particular music scene. I think this article may be something that can be sourced and expanded like the article on Southern rap, which has sections on "spirituality" "typical features" and things besides just the music. I think it's an interesting article on a regional social style and should be given a chance. Perhaps it needs a change of title? "South Florida Donk Donk" perhaps?  :) Dreadstar ☥ 17:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment. In the small amount of investigation I’ve been able to pursue over the past few days while I recover from surgery, it looks like South Florida, specifically Miami, is a major, innovative and unique hotspot for music from the State of Florida. I think I understand what User talk:Patience561 was trying to say and I don’t think Music of Florida quite does the southern region of Florida justice. I believe there may be sufficient material for “Music of South Florida” to have its own article. With the heavy influence of Cuban and Latino music added to the innovative and unique Rap style of the area, further mixing in southern rock, and a country heritage that brings a unique blend of sounds out of the southern Florida region, it looks like a “Music of South Florida” article could be rich with interesting and unique information.

But I can’t do it in five (or less) days, so I must concede the deletion of the article. I just ask that it not be a “permanent” delete so that the article can be re-created if I or others eventually expand and source it.

With this in mind, I’ve moved the “Donk” related material (or “cruft” as Wikipediatrix so eloquently calls it!) to Donk (automobile) and connected the bits of the South Florida music scene between Southern rap and Donk, so the resultant one-liner-content article “Music of South Florida” can now be deleted without my further objection – unless Bobby or Junebug52 have found anything of value to add – I’d be happy to join them in expanding the article! Dreadstar ☥ 15:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment. Now that Captaintruth has begun expanding and sourcing the article, I think we should take the suggested course of action, keep the article, give it a stub tag and allow it time to grow. South Florida is an amazingly rich and unique musical environment. Give it time! Dreadstar ☥ 16:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment - I understand your desire to clean up and save this article. From the history, it looks as if you have been fighting this battle largely on your own since the other main editor stopped tending the page in July. Maybe a change of title would help the article more than a tone of work. The AfD will be open for several days (at least 5 in most cases) which should give you a bit of time to work on it. The AfD nomination will also bring quite a bit of support from Wikipedia Inclusionists who will help you clean up the article. I'll do some poking around on my own to see what support I can give you. In the mean time, I'll hold off judgement by changing my proposed delete to an undecided. -bobby 17:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I see no significance. I agree with -bobby assessment. Junebug52 12:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • • • Comment I changed my vote to keep the article now that I see it is starting to shape up and has more significant material. I further agree that it should keep going in the direction it is going but I also feel other editors should get involved so this does not turn into a one man show. There are certainly other editors who know about the music of the area and the people who make it happen. Keep up the good work! Junebug52 8:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

• • • • Comment - Dreadstar I have to say that I am on the fence with this one. I think it would help if you did change the title and also research to see if there are other significant artist that can be added to support the claims. I will reserve my deletion until a later time to see if the article can be modified to fit wiki standards. If you need help, I will be glad to see what I can do seeing that I was actually raised in Fort Lauderdale. Junebug52 12:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Comment - Thank you so much Junebug52! I could really use your help in sourcing this! Can we discuss the article on it's talk page? I'm looking for sources, but my time is limited. I'm recovering from major surgery and don't really have the stamina to sit in front of the computer too long just yet. Bad timing....:) What should the title be changed to? How do do I do that? Create a new article and move the contents of this one, or ask an admin to change it? Suggestions on a new title are welcome! Looks like the "Donk Donk" content is easily sourcable...what are your thoughts on a title based on Donk..:) Many thanks to you and Bobby both for your offers of help! It's great to see the helpful nature of Wikipedia editors! Dreadstar ☥ 18:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment - I'm inclined to think that myself Junebug, but I've modified my position to give the editors more time before passing final judgement. -bobby 17:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unless cleaned up before AfD close. Kavadi carrier 08:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge anything useful into music of Florida. Tuf-Kat 19:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. That’s an interesting suggestion, Tuf-Kat. The origin of the article “Music of South Florida" actually stems from a suggestion [1] in July that it be created if the editor found Music of Florida and Southern Rap to be either too restrictive or too broad. We’ve now come full circle. :) Dreadstar ☥ 15:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
    • But music of Florida is not too broad for the content here. There's plenty of space, and it would fit right in. Then, per WP:SS, if South Florida-related content got to dominate music of Florida, an appropriate subarticle could be created. Tuf-Kat 03:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Keep and apply stub tag. South Florida has made outsized musical contributions (Jimmy Buffett, the Miami Bass sound, hub for latin music to provide a few examples). Thus, there is plenty of good content with which to populate this page. Let's not delete this page, tag it as a stub, and let it achieve its potential. Captaintruth 14:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. It's a no-brainer (at least to me) that since Miami is in South Florida, most of the info about Florida music in general would logically be here. The question is, is there a reason to differentiate this from the non-existent article Music of North Florida? For example, even though most of the notable music scene of Illinois is in Chicago, we don't place it in an article called Music of North Illinois. wikipediatrix 15:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. IMHO, it's simple, because South Florida is such an incredibly robust music scene, so completely different than the rest of Florida that it truly is a no-brainer that it should have it's own article - a concept well covered under WP:SS - because there is no doubt that the information on the South Florida music scene would dominate "Music of Florida". As far as I can see, this in no way requires the creation of a “Music of North Florida” to “differentiate” the two. "Music of Florida" itself should also be expanded to include older and broader music history of the state. There's nothing in Illinois to compare to it. Please let us enthusiastically expand both Music of South Florida and Music of Florida. You can revisit them a month or two from now and see if they deserve life or extinction. What's the rush? Dreadstar ☥ 18:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

• • There is plenty of notable music info re North Florida. For example, Jim Morrison is from Daytona Beach, Florida and Lynyrd Skynyd is from the Jacksonville, Florida. I am sure that there are numerous country stars from the area that some research would reveal. As for Central Florida, ever heard of the whole boy band craze of the 90s? The fact of the matter is that South Florida is quite distinct culturally from the rest of the state and its musical flavor (carribean and latin influences, urban edge, etc.) reflect this distinction. Captaintruth 20:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep now that it has been sorta cleaned up; looks like it can even be built into a good article given enough work. :-) Kavadi carrier 10:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - I originally voted delete, but retracted it in order to give the article time to grow and expand. It's looking good now, and I think it's earned its place on Wikipedia. Good job editors! →Bobby← 15:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.