Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mr. Lee (cat)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. （￣□￣；） Can't sleep, clown will eat me 10:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mr. Lee (cat)

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According to Ryulong and Kirkend this is not notable. I have put up a lot of sources. All the sources I found are here too: http://www.mr-lee-catcam.de/pe_cc_s.htm for a guide I think. There are over ten global ones. Please let me know. Thanks... Fromage911 07:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Its on DRV now too for the AFD that Ryu deleted as useless. thanks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Mr._Lee_.28cat.29 Fromage911 07:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment: After the nominator created this AfD, Ryulong deleted both the article and this AfD. It was quickly brought to DRV; after discussing it with Ryulong, given the fact that it seems the article did in fact assert notability through multiple sources, he has given me the OK to close the DRV and undelete the article and AfD for a full debate here. Krimpet 07:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks man. All the sources were here I found... http://www.mr-lee-catcam.de/pe_cc_s.htm Fromage911 07:39, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Also Mr Lee's pic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CC_TIT1.JPG Thanks! Fromage911 07:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete: In the end, this cat is a non-notable web personality. The most is that he is notable because he is a cat and probably has mostly appeared in cat-themed magazines, but I don't know German.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep With the multiple references from newspapers, magazines and hundreds of hits on google, the notability has been established.--Mendors 08:05, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The references are from mainstream newspapers in several continents. Plus the obligatory cat-magazines Ryulong refers to. Agathoclea 08:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Whilst the cat is certainly newsworthy, I would question whether it is noteworthy. The news articles references all seem to be from a very narrow timespan and look to me like it was one of those trivial stories that get picked up and endlessly rehashed by journalists as a filler. I would be very surprised if the news coverage continues after this very brief burst and for this reason I think the article fails WP:Notability • nancy • talk to me • 10:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletions. -- the wub "?!" 10:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete positive proof that not everything that makes the news is notable. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 11:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Must of been a slow news day. Newsworthy? Maybe, notable? Not by a long shot. All the references look to be trivial mentions. Whispering 12:03, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, not anything anyone is going to even remember in a month or two. not notable. --Entoaggie09 13:49, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete A cat wearing a webcam?!! WP:NOTE also requires us to consider long-term notability and this has none imo. --Malcolmxl5 15:32, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Mann wears webcam, notable. Cat wears one, not so much. --Dhartung | Talk 15:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per article being about a cat without a single external link to an apparent neutral credible third party. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 01:45, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep the sources are sufficient and sufficiently mainstream. I think it highly likely that there will be more, and i'd expect some academic ones soon. if deleted, Fromage should keep track of them and rewrite in user space until it is clearly enough. This is not incidentally either trivial or cute, and some of the sources discuss it not just as a gimmick, but as animal psychology. I think the Westfalische Rundschau one is the best so far, but the English language article in The Cat is pretty good also. DGG (talk) 04:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete Virtually every word in that article is an attempt for it to justify its own existence. Remove the attempts at self-justification, and you are left with this: Mr. Lee is a German cat whose owner attached a wireless web cam onto the cat's collar. The cat's daily jaunts were recorded, and published online. Newsworthy is not noteworthy, and getting picked up by a few papers pretty much as offbeat news does not establish notability, imo, regardless of how reliable the sources are. Resolute 05:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. News reports are often a necessary, but never a sufficient criterion for notability. Per WP:BLP1E, mention the cat in an article on webcams or something instead. Sandstein 20:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
    • I'm pretty sure BLP was never intended to apply to cats. — PyTom 01:22, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, ultimately contravenes the spirit of WP:RS as the multiple stories all look to be rehashes of the same story over a short period of time... i.e., a "slow news day" type of story that got picked up here and there by multiple outlets over the span of a few weeks. Being newsworthy may be temporary, but notability is not. This ultimately appears to be the former. --Kinu t/c 18:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, fails WP:BLC (biographies of living cats) and the sources appear to be illegitimate or incomplete. Burntsauce 18:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep unless someone can demonstrate the references listed are false (or are all duplicates of a single story). Until then, I must presume that they are accurate and that the cat therefore meets the notability standard. Everyking 23:50, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable, and just plain silly at this point. Xihr 23:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete while the photos and data collected make for interesting viewing, they do not have any encyclopedic merit.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 00:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, or transwiki to KittenPedia. NN. >Radiant< 08:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.