Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moulann

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The majority of editors arguing for deletion brings it close to that point, but as there isn't a particularly overwhelming argument against the numerous, apparently independent web articles being ineligible to be considered "reliable and reputable" (several are certainly not blogs), it's insufficient. None of the evidence presented appears to have significantly changed the direction of the discussion, but little of it was directly replied to, leaving this discussion inconclusive. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 14:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moulann

Notability appears to be unshown. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 07:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

• oppose Article just need expansion. Notability isn't official reason for deleting articles. Until that clause is added to official policy, there must be another reason to justify the deletion. Monni 07:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
• delete. I believe she may be asserting her notability by abandonning her surname. However, fails WP:BIO - subject not notable. none of the Google hits are from credible sites or without commercial interests. Ohconfucius 08:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. The awards are respectable, but the WP:BAND criteria aren't met. Also, I can't find a review at http://www.theglobeandmail.com/ or http://www.thestar.com/ , which I would have expected for a Toronto musician. http://www.google.com/search?q=Moulann+site%3Anowtoronto.com shows several listings but no reviews. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 08:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep - See this link on Alexa - this may be on a fairly artist-friendly source, but it has some facts on the popularity of some of her songs. The article as it is needs to be rewritten, I think, but she might be worth some sort of article. --Brianyoumans 08:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. She appears to fail WP:BAND given the information in the article and a quick googling. Interestingly, the first award link (the only one I'd consider to be a "major music competition") 404s. The others I wouldn't consider to be major competitions (maybe the Shonen Jump one... maybe). More verifiable information may sway my vote, however. Additionally, to answer the concern raised in the first keep vote, I should point out that notability is often considered a requirement for anarticle being encyclopedic and not just random information (which is a requirement for inclusion as per WP:NOT). See WP:NN for details. You may not agree with the concept of notability, but the overall consensus of those involved with AfD seems to be that it is, indeed, a very valid reason for deletion. --FreelanceWizard 09:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Well... Google cache still shows first link in awards. [1]. Try reading the cached copy. Monni 16:26, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Hmm, didn't think to check that. Anyway, upon reading that and the Canadian Music Competition site, I think being a finalist in it wouldn't count to pass WP:MUSIC. My vote remains delete.
• Delete Fails WP:MUSIC, WP:BIO, and I can't find any notiblity. Thε Halo ^Θ 12:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Even last.fm, which chronicles obscure musical tastes quite well, shows fewer than ten users who favor her material.
• Oppose Moulann is an independent artist. WP:BAND One of the notability guidelines is that a performer outside the mass media tradition should be " frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable sub-culture" - she appears to be in numerous publications devoted to at least one extremely notable sub-culture: The North-American Asian Community. I've added a few links I found. Flaxen0 1:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

User's only edits are here and to the article in question. --Nlu (talk) 07:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Winner of several prizes although the music style she makes causes her to attract no MTV-like attention. Article is well referenced from indepedent sources although it could use a more encyclopedic character. Also, as stated above, all the notability essays should be used with extreme caution especially in the case of specific sub-culture topics or people with less mass-media exposure. Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 10:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, because I can't and won't vote against keeping musicians I've personally heard on the radio. Bearcat 09:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete. She comes close to meeting WP:BAND, but in the end can't quite clear the hurdle. Perhaps later in her career. Fairsing 16:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Vanessa Mae, pardon my French, is notable, Moulann is not. Ohconfucius 05:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment There are different levels of notability. Vanessa Mae, has been promoted heavily for years by a record label. In contrast, Moulann is a completely independent artist. The two artists are representing completely different genres and markets. Remember that there is room in wiki for artists outside the mass media tradition. Moulann has been documented at least 3 times (that I've found online and personally heard) on CBC Radio One, Canada's most notable and credible radio station, as well as other significant Canadian and Asian-Canadian media. Flaxen0 11:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• What is this "documented" you speak of? Did she have her own feature show, or was a song of hers played on the radio? ~ trialsanderrors 01:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
• The "documented" I speak of is having been featured and interviewed on radio shows, and having songs of hers played on the radio. She's not in regular rotation on commercial stations, but I've heard her on CBC a few times and seen her in some of Toronto's Chinese newspapers Flaxen0 13:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per Halo. Ifnord 05:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.