Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mouhammad Faye

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Johnleemk | Talk 13:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mouhammad Faye

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Subject's claim to notability is being a redshirt freshman for the GIT basketball team. Additionally, it is worth noting that the article appears to be written by the subject. Kuzaar-T-C- 16:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete not notable. The JPStalk to me 17:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete userfy? Xyrael T 19:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • So, does that mean the first time the GIT basketball team beam down to an unknown planet, Faye is the one who will get killed. Man, even given the privilege of working on a spaceship, that's a hard way to earn a college scholarship. -- GWO
It's a harsh fate, and there's no guarantee that even if he makes it past the first season, he'll be promoted to a speaking role. :( --Kuzaar-T-C- 13:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
(also, I'm not very in-the-loop on sports terminology, and didn't know that redshirt was what it meant.) --Kuzaar-T-C- 13:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep "...(T)he article appears to be written by the subject" is an absolutely false and libelous claim. Additionally, the reference to "promoted to a speaking role" and the admission that "I'm not very in-the-loop on sports terminology," are clear indications that this editor, Kuzaar, despite having very quietly snuck in this five-day only proposal to delete this well-documented "Mouhammad Faye" article, after following it's lengthy history, including numberous, legitimate edits, is TOTALLY UNQUALIFIED to edit this category of article. Wikidpedia might be wise to BAN SUCH IMPOSTERS FROM EDITING SPORTS ARTICLES, as they deem appropriate. KEEP MOUHAMMAD FAYE; BAN THE IMPOSTERS. --Possepartner 21:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
    • User has less than 50 edits, all to my userpage or regarding this article. --Kuzaar-T-C- 12:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
      • "User has less than 50 edits, all 'to my userpage' or......" - Another delusional falsehood of misinformation to the unwary public! Why would anyone edit something of no value to readers? Why would Wikipedia allow editors with limited integrity suggest an "AfD" that is obviously outside the scope of the editor's knowledge? Fini! --Possepartner 9:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
        • Comment: This is a perfectly good point to make. The closing administrator is entitled to discount recommendations from very new users or from single-purpose accounts. It is not a falsehood, nor misinformation. Finally, your suggestion that User:Kuzaar is "of limited integrity" is a personal attack, which is forbidden. Please refrain from making them. Stifle (talk) 13:20, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
        • Comment I resemble that remark, i.e., the specific statement that this user edited someones userpage. A total falsehood, sir. I am only suggesting that making such accusations lacks professional integrity sufficient to Wikipedia edit standards. Let the edit-Gods decide! --Possepartner 10:59, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
          • To the contrary, this was your work, as was this. --Kuzaar-T-C- 15:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
        • It's to show that you have a record of personal attacks against other editors, and a history of making edits in bad faith. --Kuzaar-T-C- 13:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
          • Your above references cunningly are selectively presented to conveniently show my obvious tongue-in-check edits to a prior article (and not to your userpage) and not show your ORIGINAL attacking edits of a prior article, wherein you dissed both the subject and Mr. Chuck Norris. And, please, sir, support this falsedood that this editor has made "...personal attacks against other editors"...other than than humorous comments direct back to yourself, for being so inappropriate in your original, scathing edit. AND, The closing administrator is entitled to discount recommendations from very old editors/users, particularly those with such published philosophies of, "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." Doesn't that just "say it all?"--Possepartner 11:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
            • Please, remember that we at Wikipedia are trying to create an encyclopedia. I appreciate your sense of humor, but remember that there are standards and guidelines to what should or should not be in the encyclopedia, and that these are laid out as the community has declared its consensus. --Kuzaar-T-C- 16:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep If Kuzaar doesn't know sports terminology who is he to delete sports articles?!?! Perhaps someone else should be put on that job. As a Georgia Tech fan I am offended. Muhammad Faye is real, as many of these legends about him do exist... considering Kuzaar knows nothing about any of this, it would be wise to reject his suggestion that this be deleted. Let the sports fans edit the sports articles, and let the Georiga Tech fans have thier heroes on wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.169.54 (talk • contribs)
User's first (one of two) edit. --Kuzaar-T-C- 12:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Faye is likely to play a key role next season for the Tech Basketball team with extrememly positive comments from All-American Thaddeus Young and other news outlets. Therefore I think information should be given to the public so they can understand more about this outstanding young man. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.37.67.1 (talk • contribs)
User's first and only edit. --Kuzaar-T-C- 12:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep There are no factually incorrect statements on the page. To me, this smells like a Wiki Mod on a power trip. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.15.42.137 (talk • contribs)
User's second edit. --Kuzaar-T-C- 12:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Basketball players are very notable personas in American culture and in Faye's case, Senegal's culture. His family has become quite well known in Senegal for basketball prowess. I believe that he deserves a spot in Wikipedia."--Excaliburhorn
  • Weak delete. I'm aware that WP:CSB could be called into question here, but the sock flood tends to persuade me that it's not meeting WP:BIO. Relevant section: "Sportspeople/athletes who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports, including college sports in the United States. Articles about first team squad members who have not made a first team appearance may also be appropriate, but only if the individual is at a club of sufficient stature that most members of its squad already have articles." Stifle (talk) 13:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep This article should stay. This article finds excellent information on a potentially great college player. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.219.88.140 (talk • contribs)
    • Comment: The words "potentially great" exactly indicate why this article should be deleted. Stifle (talk) 14:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment: Potentially great...'college player'...i.e., in these U.S....., who has already been a great national figure and basketball player for his Sengalese National Team. Uninformed Wikipedia editors, who seem insenstive to such, have significantly detracted from the original Article of Mouhammad Faye, by deleting such previously included pieces of information. Again, if you don't know college basketball, why are you editing articles on college basketball players?....Is it good content or just good grammar you want? Or, are we simply being lowered to the lowest denominator. --Possepartner 11:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
        • What we're looking for is encyclopedic material to include in an encyclopedia. Read the biographical standards for inclusion before assuming what AFD is about. --Kuzaar-T-C- 16:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep This is a valid article about a real student-athlete who plays basketball at the highest level of American collegiate athletics. There should be no grounds for deletion." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.113.1.240 (talk • contribs)
    • User's fifth edit, out of 5 edits. --Kuzaar-T-C- 16:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Please comment on the content, Kuzaar, not on the poster. Pmr 16:59, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
        • I'm bringing the fact that the user could be a sockpuppet to the closing admin's attention. --Kuzaar-T-C- 18:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
        • I am bringing to the closing admin's attention, this url: http://www.georgia-tech-basketball.blogspot.com/ , where the accurate accumulation of facts in the Mouhammad Faye article will be disseminated (via websearches) to possibly millions of fans of the highest level of U.S. college basketball throughout the world, including Faye's proud homeland of Senegal, and the entire Africa continent. The impact of communicating this accurate knowledge, particularly as the subject's fame increases, is worth another strong, empassioned plea to "Keep" this article in Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Thank you for your consideration. --Possepartner 17:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
          • Listen, I know that you want this included, but it just doesn't meet the standards. Right now, the subject is a little under the threshold of notability required by Wikipedia. But I'm sure that given a few years, Faye will become more and more well known and notable in his achievements, and when that day comes, it will be appropriate for him to have an article. I try to be openminded, but when an AFD dispute like this comes along and attracts dozens of sockpuppet votes, I have to be firm in my resolve to stick to Wikipedia policy. I wish you luck in the future. --Kuzaar-T-C- 22:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Move to userpage and Delete redirect. Non-notable topic. Being on a basketball team in college is nothing special.--SomeStranger (T | C) 18:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep The information in the article is true, and is of value to anyone that has an interest in college basketball, Georgia Tech especially. Also, there have been numerous online gathering points where the "legend" of Faye was extolled, brought on by a LACK of information about this basketball player from Senegal. Removing information about him, will no doubt again lead to the interested looking for information, and then having to make it up as it will not be widely available. I see no reason why the article should be deleted, except that some have "dug in" to their positions. Is is also, IMO, weak on the part of the editor to infer that the article was written by the subject, as this is an allegation that should have at least the aspect of merit, rather than accusing someone of doing this without any cause. Just because the editor is wrong, he should be willing to leave the page alone to atone for his mistake.

Keep the Faye-th!!! and no, i am no sockpuppet! 70.155.125.155 22:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)BuzzCzar

    • User's edits are almost exclusively to this VFD. --Kuzaar-T-C- 03:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
  • KeepI said this before and I will say it again, if you people know nothing about sports, please don't talk and please don't decide what should be on here. Faye is a celebrity in Senegal, and actually took part in their NBA camp, and scored very well. If people like Kuzaar are going to sit in front of their computer and discourage people from having profiles on here because they are popular in another country, they have the wrong intentions. Further, there are MANY ncaa athletes on here. A basketball player is a star, and a noteworthy addition to Wikipedia...especially a basketball player at a school that was in the FIANL FOUR two years ago, and holds a lot of sway nationwide. One more thing, to say Kuzaar isn't qualified isn't a personal attack, it just happens to be true that as a non sports fan he's opinion shouldn't be taken as seriously here...this just isn't his realm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.133.128 (talk • contribs)
    • User's edits consist only of this AFD and vandalizing my userpage. --Kuzaar-T-C- 03:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
      • My edit's are only on this AFD because I'm not a big wikipedia user...this just happens to be something I'm passionate about. I would fight the same fight if you deleted a page for another athlete I adored. Why can't you understand there are fans of this guy out there, and let his article be put up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.133.128 (talk • contribs)
        • Listen, like I said to the anon above; It's fine if this user has a page somewhere else on the internet, but right now he doesn't meet the standards for biographical inclusion in the Wikipedia. I'm sure he has a bright future ahead of him, but making a ruckus on the wikipedia isn't going to influence his notability. --Kuzaar-T-C- 03:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete per sockflood and general non-notability. Naconkantari 03:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep per the fact that this young man IS notable and even has a fan base, and not so much one person "sockpuppeting". Check my edits, k? I've been around for a while, not just for this page. This is legit. The User Kuzaar is trying to raise his Wikipedia status by deleting pages. Well, he went too far this time. Keep per non-notability and unqualified proposal by Kuzaar. Techfan 05:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
    • User has less than 30 edits, including vandalism to my userpage. --Kuzaar-T-C- 11:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Userfy or delete, as per nom. Isopropyl 12:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.