Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mostafa Abdel Moity

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep. - Bobet 16:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mostafa Abdel Moity

Possible Vanity Page JaManna 04:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Vanity Page JaManna 05:16, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Asserts he helped found a "school" of painting called the Experimental Group in 1958, which would be a genre like cubism or pointillism. Ruby 05:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's an assertion that is not necessarily true, do a web search to see if such a group exists or not. JaManna 05:16, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• No, you're the nominator, you give me something more than "possible vanity page" Ruby 05:09, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• He is an artist living in Egypt, but there is not such thing as "The Experimental group" and if so, they had no visible effect on Art neither in Egypt nor the World; to make this poerson wikiworthy.

• Speedy keep. Not vanity. Likely bad faith nom as this was nominators first ever wikipedia edit. --Ezeu 05:07, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

why is a first edit automatically considered by you to be bad faith? JaManna 05:19, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Well...because it takes a while for most people to master the three-stage AfD process! Ruby 05:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Not ture, I was browsing the list of Artists, and I found many names that were on the list that didnt belong there, and I kept the ones that have had a true impact on Art like Gazebeya Serry ... The Three Afds are in place, because the artists in question are possible just promoting themselves. JaManna 05:19, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

My bolshevik meter is going off the scale. Most people try their hand at making small changes to articles they know about, then maybe write a stub from scratch to see if they have learned the wiki tags. NO ONE executes a technically flawless AfD as their first edit ever. Ruby 05:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

An Egyptian born in 1938 is not likely to be writing vanity pages on Wikipedia. He could, but it is not likely – hence my assumption that your motivation for having this article deleted is bad faith. That your first ever edit on wikipedia is to nominate an article for deletion merely stenthened my assumption. And I also spent a few minutes on google. --Ezeu 05:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per Ezeu. Wisco 05:27, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. If the article's facts are true/verifiable, he meets the notability guideline criteria as a longtime professor of art. I'd suggest that the nominator review those criteria. -Ikkyu2 06:27, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  • notability guideline criteria Quote from the page "Painters, sculptors, architects, engineers, and other professionals whose work is recognized as exceptional and likely to become a part of the enduring historical record of that field." I don't think that just because he was a professor of Art he could be considered wiki-notable. 82.201.212.220 07:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
    • What about: Vice Minister of Culture, Director of the Egyptian Academy in Rome, recipient of the State Appreciation Award and more.--Ezeu 07:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I was simply asserting that he passes the "professor test" mentioned on that same page. Don't bite. -Ikkyu2 20:16, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
      • Quote from the page you mentioned; "He becomes member of the World Congress of Contemporary Art in Venice, in 1985, and is elected Vice President the same year. He occupied the post of Head of the Egyptian Academy in Rome in 1988." Anyone can be a member of a Congress, by either paying fees or getting his office to pay them for him, I don't know where you got vice-minister of culture from! Also, a government Job for a year, doesn't make you an outstanding international figure. JaManna 07:50, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
        • Look what it did for George W. Bush. Now, sir; you are overly contentious. Pray keep a more civil tongue in your head. Ikkyu2 05:39, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Examples of the artist's work are easy to find (here, for instance: http://www.zamalekartgallery.com/en_exhibition.php?exhibitionID=53&artistID=13&availiable=). Let's all play nice, don't forget to assume good faith, don't bite the newbies. --Lockley 06:32, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Among other things, he was Commissioner for the Egyptian pavilion at the Venice Biennale 2003.[1][2] Clearly an important person in Egyptian art. u p p l a n d 08:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, clear evidence multifactorially (Google, links as above) of his contributions to Egyptian art -- Samir Grover 09:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Hideous art, but notable artist. What's the correct spelling of his name, though? --Agamemnon2 13:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually I disagree, I like his work, but I don't consider it to be "important" art ... what he does, people like [| Miro] had done before him and with much greater effect
• Keep per Ruby. --Andy Saunders 19:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.