Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moshe Aryeh Friedman (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moshe Aryeh Friedman

Moshe Aryeh Friedman (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

This person seems to be noted only for doing one thing. It was a big thing, attending the notorious Iranian Holocaust denial conference as a Jew. However, that seems to be the only notable thing this person has ever done. The article is about that and about people's reaction to it, with a little non-notable filler thrown in. Steve Dufour 15:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Keep This article has been through the wringer and has been brought up to the clearest possible standards of Wikipedia:Notability through multiple independent reliable and verifiable sources that cover multiple events for this individual over an extended period of time, all of which is clearly documented in the article. Alansohn 15:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

To me the article seems to be about an individual, not a leader or spokesperson of any group (nor has he written any books), who goes around expressing his opinions. If he hadn't been invited to the conference in Iran I am sure that WP would not have an article on him. Steve Dufour 15:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

• It is clearly about the individual, not an organization, hence the article's title. If he hadn't attended this conference, there might have been a case to support the claim that he might not be notable. However, he was invited and he did attend,as noted in hundreds upon hundreds of articles nationwide. The article uses multiple reliable and verifiable sources to establish notability based on multiple events. I can only address this individual and this article -- not what might have been -- and this article clearly meets the Wikipedia:Notability standard. Alansohn 16:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Please check out WP:BLP1E. He seems to me to fall into the category of "persons notable for only one event". Steve Dufour 16:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Well referenced with a history before the conference. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 19:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep There is widespread significant independent reliable coverage of this person. Clearly passes WP:N. JulesH 19:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep, he seems to be notable for more than just one thing, judging from the number of sources, so I'd say WP:BLP1E is invalid. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 19:28, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
• Weakish Keep He seems to have come on the stage mostly though his defence of the holocaust at the conference, but has had other activities such as his plan to work with Hamas for food aid to the west bank, and his activities with the Freedom party. I would say he's notable, but my keep is week because he is so controversial, keeping his article NPOV would be almost impossible unless it were just merged into another article about his colleagues. Basejumper 19:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

He does not seem to be part of any group of colleagues. Steve Dufour 22:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Comment You know someone else whose article is almost impossible to keep NPOV? Er, OK, bad joke, but with a point. Notability determines whether or not an article is kept, not the threat of editing disputes. --Dhartung | Talk 06:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Comment The difference is this person is living, and this article was started by editors who strongly disliked his politics as a policy violating attempt to insult him and show him exclusively in a bad light. (see the last deletion log) It was not until last week that we removed libel that had been up for a very long time, not to mention that with this gentleman, the Israeli press purposely published lies, as was reported in the American papers. (Ex. His wife divorced him, when really she says she supports everything he does. He denied the holocaust, when really he defended its reality, etc.) I think the fact that the article was started as a slam piece, and that there is the press of an entire country willing to slander him, it could be this man should not have his own article on wikipedia just for the potential libel issues alone. Basejumper 08:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

• Strong keep Even for the one speech he would be notable, as I think every news source in the world carried a story. We do not delete articles because of POV problems. DGG (talk) 21:31, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep John Wilkes Booth was just some schmuck who shot at some other schmuck at Ford's Theatre. It was a big thing, but that seems to be the only notable thing Mr. Booth has ever done. --Action Jackson IV 00:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

actually, he was an extremely notable actor before that event. This article is a keep, but lets keep the comparisons reasonable. DGG (talk) 01:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions. —Eliyak T·C 01:53, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, as he seems to have been notable beginning several years before the conference in question. Yes, that was the point at which coverage leaps, but I don't think BLP1E is meant to cover this sort of case. Being at the conference was not some fluke; it was a direct outgrowth of his career in activism, thus making said activism (more) notable. --Dhartung | Talk 06:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep notable, sourced and improved since last time Taprobanus 14:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep While I don't think he deserves to be notable, he seems to have passed the BLP1E threshold and he exemplifies a notable fringe. HG | Talk 18:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep As noted by last week's NYT. Wiki is no longer just an encyclopedia, but a reference to current events and people in the news. He has passed the threshold for notability as a contemporary figure. --Jayrav 20:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Dhartung, DGG, and HG. I don't like him but he's notable. Bearian 20:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The article contains very little information about him, mostly just about how people don't like him his going to Iran. Steve Dufour 22:57, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

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