Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mory's

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was nomination withdrawn by nominator, no "delete", "merge" etc. views presented. Daniel.Bryant 13:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mory's

Non-notable club/bar/restaurant/whatever. Prod removed by author. Danny Lilithborne 02:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

But, sir, Mory's is quite famous. It is definitely not a non-notable club, and I don't say this because of any partisan issue. Mory's is a very old institution that was immortalized by Bing Crosby and Elvis himself in their songs. If you don't believe me, do some web-surfing. It means something to a few of us out there.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ckkgourmet (talk • contribs) .

• Weak keep Some sources appear to grant some notability, such as this one from the Washington Post. Article could be rewritten though, reads a bit like an advertisement.--Húsönd 02:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, since hardly anyone can actually be a member of Mory's (I'm not--are you?), I guess I can hardly advertise the place!

Actually, changed my stance to neutral. The reference I provided isn't more than a quick mention, and I can't find any sources related to the connection between the establishment and Crosby/Elvis that suffice to assert notability.--Húsönd 03:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

You will find the connection to Elvis and the Whiffenpoof Song recorded here: http://users.pandora.be/davidneale/elvis/originals/list8.html and for Bing Crosby, take for instance the following: http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1103651/a/Bing:+His+Legendary+Years+1931-1957.htm As for Mory's itself, it just happens to be housed in a famous historical structure in of itself (dating to 1812, older than the club), one of the most notable places at an incredidbly famous institution, and one of the longest surviving institutions of its kind, a part of the texture of New Haven's history, and the history of American college life in the 19th century in particular. It's mentioned in any number of books on the area.

None of those sources contain a single mention of Mory's. Notability is not asserted.--Húsönd 03:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

But, sir, you don't seem to understand: they mention the "Whiffenpoof Song," an extremely well-known ballad amongst older Americans, which is all about Mory's. I think this is why you are so confused. Anyhow, your point is now moot, given the confirmation of the other responses below.

• Strong Keep I'll apply the "random bypasser" test. I'm a random bypasser (didn't go to Yale and never been to Mory's). But I've heard of Mory's. It's pretty famous - at least in some circles. I definitely think it's notable. --TheOtherBob 03:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• STRONG KEEP As a Yalie myself, I can attest that Mory's is an important institution not only on the Yale campus but also nationally. It is an institution of American culture, given the world renown of the Whiffenpoofs's "Song". And I have been there when visiting celebrities and politicians have been in attendance, including NY Gov. George Pataki, President George (HW) Bush, senators, etc. It is a venerable national institution, surely of greater importance than the Elizabethan Club, and I strongly commend its merit in achieving a Wikipedia page. --User:rschon

• I should add that, as a new Wikipedian, I find it distressing that this type of contributed article is judged "Non-notable" by someone without any knowledge of the topic, so far as I can tell, and naturally enough without presenting any evidence whatsoever. --User:rschon
  • I think the idea that something is self-evidently notable is more distressing. The article has (or had) no sources whatsoever. Try reading some policies before making comments, specifically WP:AGF. I'll withdraw the nomination when the article backs up its claims of notability with sources. Danny Lilithborne 04:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
    • This is from Mory's website: https://www.memberstatements.com/tour/tours.cfm?tourID=4281&CFID=3615790&CFTOKEN=74446405. A few points it makes on notability:

1. The club/bar/restaurant is 150+ years old.

2. The club had 18,000 members in the 1960's.

3. The club was at one point the subject of a special act of the Connecticut General Assembly.

It does seem objectively notable, and worthy of inclusion. (Though I would certainly agree that it's not something everyone would have heard of or that you could easily find on a Google search - I by no means think this was a bad AFD to make (I might have made it myself if I hadn't heard of the place). I'm just strongly on the side of keep.)--TheOtherBob 04:35, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Book sources have been added to this page. By the way, this is getting completely out of hand. Clearly, notability is now obvious. User: Ckkgourmet

Mory's also happens to mentioned in the 20th century-Fox film "Winged Victory" btw.

• Alrighty, then. Nomination withdrawn. I'll get an admin to come by and close it. Danny Lilithborne 04:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Another case of a non-thinking delete nom --Ughmonster 09:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Please respect WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF, especially the latter in the case. Daniel.Bryant 13:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.