Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monroe Ice Hawks

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. Owen× ☎ 23:28, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Monroe Ice Hawks

This is a youth hockey team or youth hockey league (not sure which—the article does not make it clear) in Monroe, Michigan (Detroit area). I got 817 Google hits on Monroe "Ice Hawks" -dallas (apparently there is also an Ice Hawks team in Dallas). I am not sure about this so I will abstain. I don’t know what are the Wikipedia guidelines on articles about amateur/youth sports teams. Let’s hear from some editors more knowledgeable in this area than I am. I added the external link to the team/league’s web page. •DanMS 00:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment : I'm not sure either, as the whole deletion process seems to be in a mess, especially with regards to deletionists pushing through far too many delete votes. My question to you is why put it up for Vfd if you weren't sure? I suggest you should remove the Vfd until someone with some knowledge about it can make a more informed decision, especially given that most Vfds end with articles being deleted. Zordrac 02:46, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment to DanMS and Zordrac. I spend a substantial amount of time on Vfd, and I can tell you that this article is definitely worth its nomination. I live in Monroe, and it's nice to know that someone's trying to get our city out there, but this article fails to accomplish anything and it offers no information in itself. (Notorious4life 05:34, 28 November 2005 (UTC))
  • Nominating something on AFD and admitting you don't know should attract experts. Anyway, if you're not sure and Googling doesn't help, the creator didn't do their job in starting the article properly with definition and useful sources. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Whoa, I think you're jumping to conclusions there. The fact that most AfDs result in deletions does not automatically mean that the deletion process is broken! It might, on the contrary, mean that most articles that are nominated for deletion do actually fail to meet official policies. — Haeleth Talk 13:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. I live in Monroe; in fact, I live a mile from the complex mentioned in the article. If I don't care about it, what are the chances someone who doesn't even know where Monroe is will care about it? The way the article is written in first-person makes it sound like a self-promotion. (Notorious4life 05:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC))
• Delete. It tells a bit about the Monroe Hockey Association, but only lists trainers for the actual team. Not an article. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete: 1) It's not an article, per MGM. 2) It's a purely local matter of purely local concern and therefore below the radar of an encyclopedia. 3) It's a bit of trivia and could conceivably be mentioned (in prose, discursively) in Monroe, Michigan. Thus, if it were an article, it could be merged and redirected. However, it isn't. Geogre 15:51, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. This article is far from encyclopedic. --Metropolitan90 05:30, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Mgm. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] (W) AfD? 11:26, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.