Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monk Bonasorte

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Arkyan • (talk) 19:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Monk Bonasorte

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Mr. Bonasorte was a college football player at Florida State, where he made 2nd team All-American. He did not play pro ball. See his stats. I don't think he's notable enough. NawlinWiki 15:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Update per article rewrite Delete Notability is a judgement call, here mine is simply non-notable, as raising this level of accomplishment to notability would theoretically swamp Wikipedia. weak keep Sourcing concerns have been positively addressed. His conviction would likely never had made the news had he had not been a football star, so I base my position mainly on the level of coverage of his attributed sports accolades. While they are sparse (albeit high quality), this article would probably merit a keep at the end of the 1980 season. Notability is permanent. Baccyak4H (Yak!) 20:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as a Florida State student, still doesn't meet notability. ⇒ SWATJester On Belay! 18:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Definitely does meet notability. The article was just poorly written and not sourced, so I re-wrote it. Disagree that it's a "judgment call", because it's not just a matter of saying, "He's notable because he did such-and-such on the football field". He's notable if there are non-trivial secondary sources about him. That's not really all that subjective (unless you want to argue about what is "trivial"). Either there are such sources about him or there are not. In this case, there definitely are. Mwelch 19:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Question' (more general) If the home town and the college newspaper happen to write stories about, say, a Freshman who is cut from the team, is he notable? DGG 03:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment. I wouldn't presume to count a college newspaper, which cannot be assumed (kudos to those that do, but we cannot assume it) to do their story selection or fact checking in the way expected of professional journalists and editors, to count toward estabilishing notability. It might be an acceptable source for specific incidental info in the article, but I wouldn't think for establishing who is notable. I wouldn't see anything wrong with "home town" newspapers, per se, but if they're the only newspaper that ever has mentioned him (other than the college newspaper's story on this years new recruits on the team), that seems to me ot be reason enough right there to question if is truly intellectually independent of the subject. Mwelch 03:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 15:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep: Let's review; this fellow was a two-time All-American, was GM of a pro sports team, and had a criminal conviction that hit the papers on top of that. The article's decently sourced to boot; there is nothing in WP:BIO requiring that sourcing needs to be geographically removed from the subject, or there would be thousands of articles sourced from nothing more than New York or London newspapers and magazines that would have to go. Looks like enough to me.  RGTraynor  16:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep A two time all-american in any sport is notable by definition. That he did not play pro ball does not detract from his work.JBEvans 18:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. He appears to meet WP:BIO standards- significant awards, sourced. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep No problems to me. Notable enough. Xanucia 22:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, unless the All-American wins could make him worthy of keeping if there was some kind of list or category of winners. I don't know much about football off the field (I do understand how it's played) but if the title is that big of a deal somebody ought to put together an article or list of winners. He isn't the first person in the history of the sport to be arrested, or go back to working in football on the sidelines. Anynobody 07:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Per RGTraynor's comments, it's reasonable to keep assuming some further improvment is made thewinchester 04:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per RGTraynor. --Mus Musculus 05:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.