Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mongolia (region)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. --Ezeu 23:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mongolia (region)

Delete as fake/neologism. The name Mongolia has never signified a region. The introduction tries to establish a made-up definition based on an arbitrary combination of criteria, which isn't confirmed by any sources. The second part of the article lists administrative trivia from a very specific time period of doubtful relevance (where all ethnic mongols were under Manchu rule). None of the red links have much chance of ever turning into articles of their own. Almost all of the few blue links are misdirected to other subjects of the respective same names (usually people instead of geographic or administrative entities). I'm not sure what purpose this article serves other than to confuse its readers. Questions on the discussion page to this regard have yet to be answered. Unfortunately, several other language WPs seem to have copied the false definition, though none of the translations has turned into much more than a stub. --Latebird 22:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment: From the link I just mentioned: "China, which earlier had gained control of Inner Mongolia, subjugated Outer Mongolia in the late 17th cent., but in the succeeding years struggled with Russia for control. Outer Mongolia finally broke away in 1921 to form the Mongolian People’s Republic (now Mongolia). Inner Mongolia remained under Chinese control, although the Japanese conquered Rehe (1933), which they included in Manchukuo, and Chahar and Suiyuan (1937), which they formed into Mengjiang (Mongol Border Land). These areas were returned to China after World War II. In 1944, Tannu Tuva (see Tuva Republic), long recognized as part of Mongolia but under Russian influence since 1911, was incorporated within the USSR (now Russia). The Chinese Communists joined most of Inner Mongolia to N Rehe prov. and W Heilongjiang prov. to form the Inner Mongolian Autonomous Region in 1949."
It is clear to me that the larger region of Mongolia has a rich history and is worthy of its own article, and the current one should probably be expanded. Aplomado talk 04:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
That part of the world doesn't seem to be a particular strength of the Columbia Encyclopedia. They still have Mongolia with 18 Aimags, (have been 21 since 1994). And how does the undoubtedly rich History of Mongolia justify the specific article under discussion here? --Latebird 07:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete i second the nomination. ---|Newyorktimescrossword 02:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)|
  • Keep with cleanup tag, since Inner Mongolia is located in China, the region is different from the country. --Astrokey44 15:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • comment - A little more research revealed that Greater Mongolia is a somewhat established term. The title was previously a redirect to Mongolia (region), but it has a more substantial meaning in historical and political terms. I just turned it into an article, outlining the information that I could dig up. I believe that Mongolia (region) was originally created for a slightly different purpose, but it might still be justifiable to redirect it to the new article. --Latebird 15:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Of course the term exists; Mongol people live in Flag of Mongolia Mongolia, in Inner Mongolia and in parts of Russia... —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 12:39, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Greater Mongolia. Stifle (talk) 14:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
  • keep or merge or cleanup or something...  Grue  15:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.