Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Venezuela 2001

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Cbrown1023 talk 02:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miss Venezuela 2001

Miss Venezuela 2001 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Listcruft:winners name already in the main article (which is a train wreck in itself). User is creating them from 2006 backwards, so 2000 will probably appear by the time this AfD is complete. Edit: it has (here), and it's been CSD A7'd

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason

Miss_Venezuela_2002 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Miss_Venezuela_2003 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Miss_Venezuela_2004 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Miss_Venezuela_2005 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Miss_Venezuela_2006 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

EliminatorJR 00:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I am also adding the following related pages to this AfD (for consistency), although I oppose deletion: -- Black Falcon 18:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Miss_Venezuela_1999 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Miss_Venezuela_2000 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)


  • Weak Delete As the articles stand, they are not worth keeping. However, if some real content (and sources) are added, they should be kept. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 00:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete I can't see a need for separate articles on each year. And nom is right about the main article. It could be cut to a quarter its size and probably much more than that. PigmanTalk to me 01:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge/Delete - Wikipedia is not a directory of people, the articles are not verifiable, they do not provide reliable sources, and then can be merged into Miss Venezuela.--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 03:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • keep because in my mind i do think this article can be expanded and could be made into a good articleOo7565 04:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - While it is merely a list at the moment, its useful info and has the potential to be a good stub with an appropriate blurb at the top. If I wanted info about the comp, this would be better than nothing, and you'd be surprised, more people are willing to edit an existing article to fill with info than are willing to create a new one - because they get shot down so quickly. Therefore if it exists, people will be able to write about it. I wouldn't dismiss it so quickly. THE KING 03:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment If you wanted to know about the competition, wouldn't the Miss Venezuela article answer most of your questions? The individual pages don't answer any new questions except who won in a specific year (which sounds like a question that a directory could answer for you). ~a (user • talk • contribs) 05:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per The King. Also, similar lists exist for Miss Universe and Miss America. Having articles on each year of Miss Venezuela encourages us to give other countries' pageants fair coverage and therefore helps counter systemic bias. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 06:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge/Delete. I don't see why the winners shouldn't be added to Miss Venezuela. Sr13 (T|C) Editor review 06:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep per The King. The articles have existed less than a day before they were nominated for deletion. However, I would urge the articles' creator to address the concerns raised in this AfD (adding other real-world content, but most importantly sourcing the information) before creating any new ones. -- Black Falcon 08:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Rename to something like List of Miss Venezuela 2001 contestants. Part Deux 10:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge/Delete per Ed MarlaB 13:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete WP:NOT#Directory, WP:RS it fails both of these and its general relevance on wikipedia is low if not non-existent.TellyaddictEditor review! 13:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Unless a source is provided for the names by the end of the AFD. If it is, then rename per Part Deux to List of Miss Venezuela 2001 contestants. An unsourced list of names is unacceptable, and the creator of the areticles should reference his work rather than rushing to create more unsourced lists, which fail WP:V and WP:RS. Inkpaduta 14:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. "Unsourced" is not the same thing as "unsourceable," and if the winners of these contests are worthy of an article anywhere, they are worthy of an article about Venezuela's competition. - Smerdis of Tlön 15:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. I am also adding the 1999 and 2000 lists of contestants to this AfD for consistency, although I oppose their deletion. -- Black Falcon 18:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Sources. I have added sources for the 1999, 2000, and 2001 contests. The source for 2002-2006 is http://www.missvenezuela.com/ (click the appropriate year link at the bottom right corner). The only thing now is to give some time for the lists to be turned into more encyclopedic-looking articles. I would recommend against creating lists for additional years until these articles are cleaned up and/or a standard is established for how these articles ought to look. -- Black Falcon 18:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, as per King Lugnuts 19:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, Wikipedia is not a directory. The only article that passes WP:ORG is Miss Venezuela. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 05:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep useful info. Kolindigo 06:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. I believe that, whilst it may be useful for those researching the history of the contest, it falls into the realms of indiscriminate information. We do not need a list of all the also-rans in this, nor any other contest for each and every year a contest takes place. Ohconfucius 08:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. These subjects could have articles, in terms of notability I would say that a national beauty contest has sufficient interest to pass the bar. But, these are not articles on the contest but simply a list of the regional "misses" and that is insufficient. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Please consider that these articles were nominated for deletion only minutes or hours after their creation. I agree that they cannot stay as they are, but they weren't even given a chance to expand/improve. -- Black Falcon 00:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not remotely useful. Put it on the spanish Wikipedia. - Gilliam 21:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and Improve. Miss USA has articles for 2000 to 2007 editions. why can't Venezuela? --RebSkii 18:09, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.