Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Pakistan World
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[edit] Miss_Pakistan_World
Blatant Form of Advertisement and Incorrect Facts Saratahir (talk) 17:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
This article is a blatant form of advertisement. I have been trying to clean up the article for some weeks now and any fact that negatively reflects it( such as the contorversies it has encountered) get deleted. Even simple facts such as this pageant being unknown to the public gets deleted. Similary facts that were stated by the media regarding the organizers have been removed. I think the article does not reflect an ounce of truth and needs to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saratahir (talk • contribs) macytalk 17:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
This article has been tagged for the umpteenth time with a notice for blatant advertising. The only reason for that is that this articles seems to promote the subject only and does not do much justice to other points of views. Please regard these terms for content on Wikipedia
[edit] Admitted conflict of interest
See this edit and its summary. It says that one Daniel Thompson is working for the outfit that runs this event and is editing on their behalf. It's quite an edit, and repays examination. I note that Danthompsonjr has also been editing this article under that name. Morenoodles (talk)
- Proof of conflict of interest
- To summarise the conflict of interest issues, following is a collection of the investigations into the user's and their associates' editing MO.
- The users Sonisona (talk · contribs), Danthompsonjr (talk · contribs) and Tamara Daniels PR (talk · contribs) are put under scrutiny here.
- User Sonisona has only ever edited articles related to the Miss Pakistan World pageant or its contestants from the time this account has been created.
- User Danthompsonjr has been actively uploading pictures for the following articles only, almost always without a license and clear breach of copyright policies and has been warned as well. The user never cares to respond properly.
- The third user, Tamara Daniels PR made an edit clearly acknowledging that they were hired by the company to edit their articles. This use so far has made only one edit as of this writing.
- The website URL stated in the above mentioned edit points to the proprietors of the business being a one Daniel Thompson and another Tamara Atzenwiler. Clearly the user Danthompsonjr is Daniel here. The other edit using the other username Tamara Daniels PR was of Daniel's as well if the e-mail address is matched from his edit. It all makes sense.
- User Sonisona denies the facts here saying their is no Daniel working for them contrary to Daniel himself. This claim is questionable as the PR agency's website features the company's working under their blog entry here. Notice the highlighted words in the address for the mentioned blog entry:
www.tamaradaniels.com/what-were-doing/mrs-pakistan-2008-proves-progression-still-lives - The user Sonisona leaves a message on the talk page at one point. This message can be accessed here. Notice the words: "the team", "our true history", "mix our pictures". This was just after edits by Arunreginald proclaiming the company's associations with the Tamara Daniels PR agency. In this immediate post, these allegations were never condemned rather the user showed that there actually was a team working on the article, neither were allegations stating the user Sonisona to be the president of the company Sonia Ahmed challenged in any way.
- It was only after the query by user Morenoodles that the user User:Sonisona changed her comments.
- This is more than enough proof to state that a serious conflict of interest is being exercised on the article page. Consider these proof, and please take note when voting. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 21:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Information Removed
The advertisers of this unknown event removed facts around the high profile pageants that have happened in Pakistan in the past and which continue to happen such as Unilever's "Shine Princess" and Pamolive "Face of the Year".
[edit] Controversies Section
Omg, has anyone read that section. It is such one sided blatant advertisement. There are no sources cited. An incident that occured between the organizers of this pageant and a Major News channel has been mis reported (from the perspective of the organizers) and a propaganda YouTube video made by these organizers has been quoted. This is absolutely disgusting. The integrity of Wikipedia should be maintained and such artciles should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.208.220.12 (talk) 17:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Recommendation
I would ve recommended that everyone make an effort to clean up this entire article. However if you look at the articles history and addition that projects the pageant in a negative light or states any controveries around it from a neutral perspective get deleted and altered. None of the statements made are verifiable or backed by any facts. Its a very hopless situation and i think we are past the lets-work-together-to-improve-this stage so i strongly recommend a deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saratahir (talk • contribs) 17:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
*Strong Keep : Just clean and add proper information with references. There is no need to delete this. The article would be eventually created and thing would be the same. Assign a task force to keep article up to date. --SkyWalker (talk) 17:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Strong Delete : After looking at various part of the article. The article has no sources and missing lot of critical information. --SkyWalker (talk) 05:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Speedy keep Subject appears notable; article needs cleanup. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)- Neutral for now. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 19:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Comment: The notability of the pageant is in fact questionable. According to the article, the original author wrote that this pageant is affiliated with the Government of Pakistan (official Pakistani pageant) but the Government of Pakistan has never endorsed it publicly. This was it's only ground for notability. Other than that, it is just an organisation that hosts events in a close room somewhere in Canada. I don't see a page on Wikipedia for any certain Alcoholics Anonymous group named "Sharabi Benaam" or another close-doored event that has no endorsements from the body it is representing. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 18:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Keep, needing cleanup is no grounds for deletion. JIP | Talk 17:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Strong Delete : I agree that the article is baseless and unsupported by facts.In addition there is too much propaganda and medling by the organizers of this event. Like i said before this is an Encyclopedia and not a platform for someone's fifteen minutes of fame —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.208.220.12 (talk) 18:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Strongly delete the article, because as long as the article is being edited by the president of the company (the fact is clearly evident or dubious), or its associates (a fact noted on the talk page), it is blatant advertising and a solid example of a conflict of interest. If we delete this article, it would be easier to track the authors and their intentions, if this article is created. This is the first AfD anyway, let's delete the article and make the biased authors know their wrong. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 18:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Comments: If this page is not deleted and is dealt with via other means like COI or ANB, the process would take ages to complete. SholeemGriffin (talk) 19:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Very strongly delete: I think that the article should be deleted because any edit made, which attempts to make the article to be of a NPOV is deleted. I have tried to work with the authors of the article and have provided appropriate citations where needed in the "history" and "controversies" sections specifically. However my versions have been constantly deleted or reverted without discussion. The new material added is simply promotional for the pageant and does not cite any references. I have been working on the article for more than a week now and as the article history would suggest I have made numerous attempts to come to a consensus on this article with the other editors. They fail to comply by the rules and regulations set by Wikipedia and therefore I very strongly recommend this article for deletion. If my edits are to be deleted by the company editors, why not delete the article as clean up is IMPOSSIBLE. SholeemGriffin (talk) 19:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Strong delete This article and its contribution history prove most beauty contests, like this one, are unencyclopedic business venures. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Slash and Burn This article is awful, I agree. It is a mishmash of advertising and misinformation, and most of the "references" do not support the claims of the article. However, I think there is sufficient notability for an article. The article should be cut down to a stub, removing all the crap, and the conflict of interest editors should be warned/blocked as necessary. Although I do understand how annoying it is to struggle to improve an article against editor's with wrong-headed agendas, I just can't get behind the nom's suggestion that "we are past the lets-work-together-to-improve-this stage." It seems like an admission that the article could be fixed. Beeblbrox (talk) 19:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Delete I'll remind everyone that an existing COI and reference and tone concerns =/= deletion. However, I agree that it's not notable. G-news pulls up three hits, and nothing in books or scholar. If this were a well-known pageant it would pull way more g-news hits than that. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 21:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Strong delete Advertising and mis-information. The constant reversal of any improvement undercuts any concept of keeping it. Ron B. Thomson (talk) 22:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
