Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss International (USA)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Titoxd(?!?) 20:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miss International (USA)

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Article describing a non-notable pageant. The event is not televised and is on a far lesser scale than Miss USA or Miss America -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 21:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Just because the pageant is not televised in the United States, does not mean it does not exist or is not notable. It certainly is a real and influential pageant as illustrated by the amount of young women who compete for it every year and the work the titleholders do for their platforms. State USA and America pageants and other pageants that have pages here are not televised, yet they have Wikipedia pages.
Many women who compete in the USA pageants compete in the International system including Catherine Warren, Miss Illinois USA 2006 and Kimberly Krueger Miss North Dakota USA 2006. The pageant IS being televised in Great Britain along with the Miss Teen pageant. Bebedebroadway 21:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Notable is defined as "worthy of being noted"[1][2] or "attracting notice"[3]. It is not synonymous with "fame" or "importance". [1] The Miss International (USA) system is worthy of being noted for the reasons stated above. It may not be famous in the United States (although as illustrated by the popularity of conversatino on the subject on voy boards, especially Minnesota's and other state boards it IS frequently talked about and well known), it serves as a training ground for women in pageants and many contestants go on to compete heavily and do well in other systems. Bebedebroadway 22:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep per above. Mr.Z-mantalk 22:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment The pageant itself isn't being televised in England, only as part of a single reality program where they try to turn a teenage delinquent into a beauty queen. Notability difficult to ascertain - plenty of Ghits, but there are dozens of pageants called the same thing, notably in Asia/China which muddy the issue. EliminatorJR 22:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
The other pageant does have a page Miss International and this article is linked to under "pageants of the same name." There is no confusion on the other page, and if desired I will add a link to the Miss International page further explaining the difference, though there is nothing on the Miss International (USA) page to even allude that this is the same pageant. In fact, in the specifications and information about the pageant it distinguishes itself as different. Bebedebroadway 22:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge Deleting all information about this system would be a mistake as it leaves holes in the history of contestants of other systems, and many, many people do search for information about this system. I would settle for a merging of the USA inernational related pageants, and including the Mrs International system (which is a premiere and well-known Mrs. Pageant that has been in existence since the 1980's). That way there would not be three individual pages, but one inclusive International Pageant System (USA) page. Bebedebroadway 22:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete unless reliable sources are provided to establish notability. As of now, I don't see any references or links that indicate enough notability. utcursch | talk 12:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
It is listed at other pageant websites, including tftj.com http://tftj.com/db/pageantinfo.htm/750 and the Pageant News Bureau. http://www.pageant.com/index.html Bebedebroadway 03:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment This editor has already voted once (and practically twice). -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 03:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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