Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mina-Jacqueline Au

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Non-English references are certainly allowed, and the folks who can actually read them seem adamant that they are substantial and reliable. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 04:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mina-Jacqueline Au

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The first reference is "Page Not Found", the second reference isn't even in English. Notability isn't really established at all. -- Qaddosh|^talk|contribs 03:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

• No identifiable or reliable secondary sources other than what appears to be subjects own blogs. No objectivity established as this appears to be a resume written by or for the subject herself.Bsradar (talk) 03:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)bsradar— Bsradar (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Comment "the second reference isn't even in English" is not a deletion reason. We have no policy requiring references to be in English, and that reference is an article in a major newspaper (Sing Tao) which discusses the subject of the article non-trivially, so it is an obvious step towards proving that she meets WP:N. Will look for more later. cab (talk) 07:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment I got a 404 error on the first one, but I'll try it again. References not being in English certainly doesn't constitute deletion, but I don't see how it could count as a reference here. We're on the English wikipedia. Does it work the other way around? Does that mean that we can make articles in Czech so long as the references are in English? Could someone translate the reference for me please? -- Qaddosh|^talk|contribs 21:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. cab (talk) 07:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - the first reference works, but it's a blog. JohnCD (talk) 10:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: It appears the article in the Chinese online column was a piece likely submitted by the subject herself. The fact that it is there does not prove in of itself that she meets the notability standard, and it certainly is not an "obvious step" by any means. The fact is that 90% of the material in this page are of no factual basis and no more than mere opinion. How does the author know that the subject is writing a book without citing any sources unless the author was told by the subject herself? Moreover, most of the article is of precise biographical content with no verifiable source. At least some of the more outlandish opinion statements were deleted since yesterday - "Creme de la Creme" comes to mind 24.199.110.63 (talk) 05:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Bsradar
• Strong keep: Despite some unencyclopedic information, article asserts her notability - that she is the founder of luxury retailer Bon-Luxe.com. This is proved by the Sing Tao newspaper article (the second source) which is exclusively about the subject and her luxury retailer, and from which the Wikipedia article derived much of its content. The fact that it's in Chinese is and has never been reason to delete an article, especially when your primary concern is notability. I quote from Sing Tao (my translation): "The most expensive coffee beans in the world...is exclusively sold by Bon-Luxe.com...a website founded by Hong Kong woman Mina-Jacqueline Au. It sells only unique items - from March of this year when it began, it has rapidly became a favourite of American celebrities, and Mina-Jacqueline Au has been hailed as the symbol of luxury..." Herunar (talk) 07:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
• Strong keep: The reference that is in Chinese is actually one of the largest Chinese newspaper in the world. According to the article, this was in the New York edition of the paper. So I don't believe that it is an article that can be submitted by the subject herself. As for the blog, even though it is her own blog, but I feel that the source that posted the blog has prove the subject's nobility by stating in the introduction that she is the founder of Bon-Luxe.com as well as a style expert. This also shows her involvement in the fashion world as stated in the article. First Wives World doesn't seem to be a blog itself but a online news community, so it is a usable and verifiable source.PMCLuv (talk) 12:37, 14 April 2008 (UTC) — PMCLuv (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. --- also see account creation date. cab (talk) 09:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Keep. Seems to meet a minimum threshold for notability, although for a biography of a living person there is a lot that is unsourced, and should be gutted. Pastordavid (talk) 20:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

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