Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miltos Manetas

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The result was delete and protect from recreation. I forgot to close this AfD when I deleted the article. --Coredesat 07:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miltos Manetas

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Non notable visual artist. Bus stop 20:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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keep: A significant contemporary artist who has exhibited in major spaces, appears in major art magazines. Marbruk 21:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC) — marbruk (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Delete: There are no sources in the article except for a personal web site. Bus stop 21:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

NOT TRUE Marbruk 10:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

• Delete the "artist" who brought us the NEEN article and its variant spellings. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 00:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

NOT AN ARGUMENT Marbruk 10:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

keep: Just Google Miltos Manetas and you will find articles about him from the NYTimes to the Interview Magazine. The same about Neen. Ii's a pitty that people in Wikipedia become enemies of what they don't understand: Neen is an idea they own to embrace and of course they should stp pretend that it doesn't exist, that's ridiculous because Neen can be found in so many publication, exhibitions, blogs etc. AlainLa 22:21, 5 April 2007 (UTC) — AlainLa (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Comment: "Neen" is more meaningless than most marketing nonsense, and it is not notable. It may have a place elsewhere on Wikipedia, if you can prove noteworthiness. But in the context of visual art there is no indication that the term has any meaning. Bus stop 08:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Reply to Comment: How can you say that a conceptual art concept that has been presented as an exhibition at the Gagosian Gallery in NY (one of the most famous art galleries) and invited to such important International art shows such as the Valencia Biennial in Spain, the MU Art Center and Casco in Holland, the Scketch in London etc has no meaning in the context of Visual Arts? Maybe you are not that well informed in the subject? I think that the fact that there has been a book by Charta which is an Italian publisher spesialized on ART BOOKS, settles the matter: Neen is an ART CONCEPT and an art movement.

What other proff you want for that than the fact that artists- who exhibit internationally and are reviewed in art magazines- are members of Neen?.

AlainLa 11:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Comment: Twice you (or someone else) have posted the article by that name on Wikipedia and both times it was deleted. The editors of that article not only could not cite sources supporting notability for the term, but also could not convey to the casual reader (me) what the term means. I am not accepting of marketing terms bandied about in the guise of scholarly terms pertaining to art. Bus stop 19:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete None-noteable person, poorly sourced article. Jtrainor 21:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

keep: Manetas is an important international artist. You should simply Google his name and see for yourself how much he has influenced artists who worked with videogames after him (such as Cory Arcangel and others) as well as more classic school contemporary artists such as Maurizio Cattelan ( who made his Wrong Gallery on Maneta's ElectronicOrphanage and different contemporary painters who are working on the same subjects of tech life as Manetas did long time ago. Also, the article is noy poorly sourced, there are references in all kind of Art World sources as well as NYTimes, Wired Magazine etc. Door64 17:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC) I will work on the reference side too.. the article for Manetas should stay in Wikipedia..Door64 — Door64 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

keep: Miltos Manetas and his work questions directly the form and content of both what art does and who the artist is in a contemporary context. As a cultural theorist I have cited Manetas' work and philosophy on several occasions in my own work, referring to it as a signal project within digital media cutlure. As others theorists and critics have noted, Manetas' on-going metacritique of Art's persistent rhetorics of representation places his agenda in the shadow of Walter Benjamin's Critique of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (though for Manetas it our Age of Digital Replication), and the now canonical investigations of depthlessness and reproduciblity of Warhol, Andreas Gursky or Jeff Wall. In this, Manetas' ongoing project is a kind an archaelogy of surfaces --of information as a surface, of painting as a surface, of icons as surfaces-- and their ultimate recombinacy in the terms of this shared status. Further, Manetas' project is to displace (without the ponderous self-reflexion of a "critical cultural producer") the singularity of the artist as the originator of the mastertstroke in a visual landscape for which content is no longer an economy of scarcity. Quite the opposite of turning art into a branding exercise, Manetas' work is hardly unique in exploring the arbitrary signifier, the afterimage, and the autonomy of affect in our liquid modernity. That said, the references to Manetas' CV that others have made is valid, but incomplete. To be clear, I can imagine to appropriate reason for the deletion of Miltos Manetas or Neen from Wikipedia other than the idiosyncratic miscomprehension of their agendas on the part of a single editor. Benjamin Bratton 21:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC) — Benjaminbratton (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Delete, the references provided do not appear sufficient to meet notabilty purposes. One of them is broken, another shows a portfolio, but none appear to be significant. --Sigma 7 02:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Update - I noticed that the page was recreated multiple times. As a result, I'm requesting a salt. --Sigma 7 02:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Here: http://www.manetas.com/press/ you can find as many press references on the work of Miltos Manetas as you need. If you search for him on Amazon you can find his book about Neen ( http://www.amazon.com/Neen-Miltos-Manetas/dp/8881586010/ref=sr_1_2/002-0898025-0774437?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175913997&sr=8-2 ) published by a famous art publisher in Italy. If you search at Artnet you will find a lot about him: http://www.artnet.com/ag/fulltextsearch.asp?searchstring=Miltos+Manetas Here http://www.manetas.com/press/nytimes/index.htm is a NYTimes article about his work on videogames. There are HUDREDS of such sourses online. Are we seriously discussing the FACT that Manetas is a very well known artist? I invited some of the people- all art proffesionals that have worked with Manetas during these years, to write something here so expect some illustrious opinions.Door64

I just add many sources to the Manetas page. check nowDoor64

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