Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Young (LARP)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 03:30, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mike Young (LARP)

Mike Young (LARP) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Speedy deletion was overturned at DRV, now listing here to discuss the merits of the article. This is a procedural listing, so I abstain. Enjoy. ~ trialsanderrors 22:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. This fellow seems non-notable. .V. 23:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Intro does need to be rewritten to establish notability better. LARP GoH at Origins. On the DRV discussion it was argued this was a minor award - maybe compared to other gaming awards, but within the LARPing community it's pretty huge as it's the only LARP award available that isn't publisher specific. Also designed award winning board game Hamlet (Polycon independant game design contest, which had a $1000 prize attached to it). His chief claim to fame though, popularizing Theatre-style live action role-playing, may be dificult to prove though as there isn't much of a LARP literature to cite (and what little there is he's the author of and he tends not to write about himself). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmusser (talk • contribs) 03:13, 21 November 2006
• Weak delete. As is, seems to narrowly miss passing WP:BIO; I could be convinced otherw/ise if some of the above-mentioned awards or influences could be cited. As an aside, "LARP" in the article title seems to be against the advice of WP:RPG and WP:TITLE; perhaps Mike Young (game designer) would be a better title? Percy Snoodle 18:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep thanks for providing the citations below; hope some of them can be added to the article. Percy Snoodle 10:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Mr. Young is at least as prolific as Monte Cook and has done most of this work without the backing of large corporations. Rules to Live By Amazon ISBN: 0970835604 Rules to Live By Supernatural ISBN: 0970835612 The Book of LARP ISBN: 097083568X are just a few of the Products that Mr. Young has produced and published.

independent Reviews of Mr. Young's Works: Igor (Card Game) RPG.net Steve Jackson Games PYRAMID Magazine Gaming Report.com 'Hamlet (Board Game) Gaming Report.com You Need Drew's Truck (Board Game) Gaming Report.com Rules to Live By (LARP) Gaming Report.com GameGrene.com Rules To Live By: Supernatural (LARP) Gaming Report.com Book of LARP (LARP) RPG.net Gaming Report.com PRAWN (LARP) Gaming Report.com RPG.net Kuhfeldt

• Keep. Theatre-Style LARP is a notable form of LARP with its own key entries. While the form is generally credited with having been invented by Walt Frietag, Mike Young has been one of the principal developers since 1989. He has presented material at very nearly every one of the Live Action Roleplaying Association's 2-3 annual conventions, and presented numerous talks. Theatre Style is not as popular a form in the U.S. as in Europe where it is state funded, however comparable European Designer Mike Pohjola has an entry at fi.wikipedia.org. While Mike did not invent the four hour format of Theatre Style LARP which is common at conventions such as Origins, Gencon, etc., his popularization of the form led to his being selected as one of two judges for LARPA's Small Gamewriting Competition for 2006. This is a growing field. I'd also argue a strong inequity here. Live Combat LARP is characterized by strong group identities, and nearly every small group, no matter how relatively unspectacular is accorded a Wikipedia Entry. Theatre Style LARP is heavily characterized by individual designers - Mike Young is as notable in the Theatre Style Field as IFGS in the Live Combat discipline, and significantly moreso than Knight Realms which is also accorded a listing. I would submit that none of the editors favoring deletion have shown a strong familiarity with Theatre Style, and that within that arguably significant community, Mike Young is considered to be a designer of considerable historical and contemporary significance. Gordon Olmstead-Dean 18:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Passes WP:BIO (widely recognized contribution in his field, author/publisher with multiple reviews). Clearly needs revision, however, and probably the above described rename. Joshua Kronengold 21:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Despite the X/Y article dichotomy cited by the above user, Mike Young has received Origins Awards for his games and these games have received (as per WP:BIO) multiple, non-trivial reviews from rpg.net, gamingreport.com, and even Pyramid Magazine, an imprint of Steve Jackson Games. That said, a move to Mike Young (game designer) should happen, plus it needs a tone revision. Fethers 21:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep for reasons explained above. Renaming to Mike Young (game designer) would be apropriate. The Bearded One 18:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.