Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Midwestern Ivy League

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The result of the debate was delete. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 01:14, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Midwestern Ivy League

No such thing exists! 18.95.1.22 07:15, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete This is patent nonsense. There is no such league. Nor is this a colloquial term. I suspect it was merely invented by an alumnus of one of these universities. 18.95.1.22 07:23, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. A plausible term, but appears not to have any kind of currency (no google results for "Midwestern Ivies", no relevant ones for "Midwestern Ivy League." Sdedeo 16:07, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Weak delete. I suspect that in time there will be such a term. --Dysepsion 17:24, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Strong keep. This is common in academia, and while it is not officially a league as the Ivy League are it has become the definitive way to refer to the small private schools in this grouping. I suspect the lack of google hits is due to the colloquial nature of the term, and it's use in popular speech rather than official documentation. Google is not the best, nor only test of whether an article is notable enough. I encourage keeping this article as it adds an important bit of comparative information to Wikipedia, and challenge other editors to find fault with the factual comparison on the page. TheChief (PowWow) 16:46, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. I think I need to do a lot of work here before this is ready it seems. I would appreciate comments on my talk page on how to improve this article and make it ready for Wikipedia. TheChief (PowWow) 01:19, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
  • As a note, I have no affiliation with the listed Universities as the nominator claims. As one might imagine I am affiliated with UIUC. TheChief (PowWow) 18:53, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
    • My apologies. Go Illini. All the same, there is no such league. If you think "Midwest Ivies" is a colloquial term, why not start an article with that name? The inclusion of "League" in the present article's title is too formal to be colloquial. You may find the current discussion at Little Ivies interesting. -18.95.1.22 20:14, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
      • Not a problem. Yes, Long live the Chief. That's a pretty good suggestion. My purpose in the article was to highlight the colloquial perception of these four schools as being the "Ivy League of the Midwest". Are you interested in helping me to improve the title/focus of the article? TheChief (PowWow) 20:23, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. As an Ivy League student, I can say that I have never heard students, faculty, or media use this term. There's no doubt that they're great schools, but that doesn't mean that the term exists, will exist, or should exist.--AaronS 04:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - total BS CoolGuy 04:28, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, neologism at best, but overall too vague a concept to be encyclopedic. Saying "the Ivy League of" is like saying "the Cadillac of," or "the sick man of," or "the Tiffany of": it's a device of language that can be applied to an infinite number of subjects. - choster 05:16, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Neologism. No evidence of currency. Nohat 05:45, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. There is no such thing, sorry.
  • As a note, like TheChief, I'm also affiliated with UIUC, and I believe that UIUC easily outranks any schools in this 'Midwestern Ivy League'. So, the list is fundamentally flawed, even if such a thing existed ;) Jawed 06:29, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per AaronS. Too vague, too unbounded, and too neologistic. JDoorjam 11:26, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. No evidence presented of real use. Just promotional, point of view, academic boosterism. These universities are not bracketed together by tradition or common use or anything else. Nor are they the four best midwestern universities by any particular criterion I can think of. And by the way what's with Jesuit Ivy and Little Ivies? Public Ivies has some reality to it because of an influential book with that title. Jesuit Ivy quotes JFK so is worth merging into the BC article, although I live near Boston and have never, never, never heard BC called that. Little Ivies is just unattributed unsourced personal-essay garbage. The phrase Ivy League has a real well-defined meaning as an athletic conference. It also has a social resonance does not mean simply good schools with small classes. There is no Engineering Ivy League (MIT, Caltech, RPI and Georgia Tech). And there is no "Midwestern Ivy League." Dpbsmith (talk) 13:06, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Never heard of this term, and I've met alumni from some of these schools and not only have they never mentioned this term, I expect it would be considered somewhat condescending if I were to use it. Also, this page is very POV, insisting at every point that people's general infamiliarity with this "league" is due to its location in the Midwest. --C S 16:58, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete No evidence of usage (my parents went to Northwestern and I've never heard it). I would suggest a redirect to Big Ten if the alleged list were a little different. Septentrionalis 19:43, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

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