Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michele Shohatovitz

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. -Doc ^ask? 15:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michele Shohatovitz

Delete as non-notable individual BillC 13:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete alternative-medicine practitioner with 2 Google hits. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, possibly speedy, as I get only a handful of Google hits on this guy. -- Grafikm_fr ^(AutoGRAF) 13:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nah, not speedy, assertion made. What does she do with the colon?? - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 15:18, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you should make an appointment with one of her colleagues to find out, Crazy.  ;-). Bucketsofg✐ 15:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Ouch!! I was just lobbied to change my vote by the sockpuppety IDF-Barak. Unfortunately for him, it only reinforces my delete gland. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 15:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

You are not the only one. If not for WP:AGF, I would think the doctor's article was created in order to enhance the position of a determined marketing company. -- ReyBrujo 15:28, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• Neutral (for now). The article mentions that she is health editor for the Israeli News Agency. If this can be confirmed, it might constitute notability. (A rewrite would be in order.) Delete per above (Israeli News Agency seems pretty light weight) Bucketsofg✐ 15:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment Supposedly, the INA has an audience that meets the notability threshold, but I haven't verified this one way or the other. Darquis 22:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I believe this is one of several bios created by a group of people with ties to a PR firm. The INA has a low Alexa ranking, and the man who runs it is a self-confessed search engine optimizer. Its high number of Google hits may not be indicative of a large amount of readers, but of an SEO who knows his stuff. -DejahThoris 01:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Lenahan --Deville (Talk) 03:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, fails to meet WP:BIO. -- ReyBrujo 16:13, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep. This health care professional is well known and respected in Israel. If she does work for the Israel News Agency, then she has a reach of well over 5,000 people (www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=www.israelnewsagency.com according to Alexa the INA reaches up to 60 million readers) and has written for Israeli magazines including "Menta," and "Derech Haosher," which have reader circulations beyond 70,000 in Israel.

which qualifies her as a notable. Idf-barak 13:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment The account of User:Idf-barak was created today; his/her contributions suggest the account was created to lobby for keeping this article. Alexa ranks this site 191,000th. Probably not high enough to justify the article on it; surely not enough to justify an article on one of its contributors. Bucketsofg✐ 15:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment: We are checking her notability, not the INA's. She is an editor in the INA, but nothing more. According to WP:BIO, she can be included in three definitions:

• Published authors, editors, and photographers who have written books with an audience of 5,000 or more or in periodicals with a circulation of 5,000 or more (Failed, the article does not states she has written books, nor that those books have such circulation. An internet site is not acknowledged as book, otherwise anyone working in an internet site can be inserted into Wikipedia.)
• Painters, sculptors, architects, engineers, and other professionals whose work is widely recognized (for better or worse) and likely to become a part of the enduring historical record of that field (Failed, unless you can probe her work is widely recognized and it will become everlasting)
• Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events (Failed, no notorious event in her life except becoming a health care professional, travelling to US, and working for the INA).

Please, show me why you think this individual is noteworthy. -- ReyBrujo 15:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. I live in Israel and never heard of her. With 2 Google hits - clearly NN. Noon 14:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete; this enema provider doesn't seem to be notable enough in Israel to get a Hebrew Wikipedia entry; one would think that would be kind of a threshold thing for an Israeli. This is another piece of SEO from Israelbeach or his clones. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 15:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I just read a story of hers on Google News. Those news articles reach millions of readers + Google news alerts. That is notable enough. Do not understand reason for personal attacks here by User talk:Jpgordon Potterseesall 14:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • User's second edit; first was to add a link to Israelbeach's website. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 15:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep. confirmed that the story is on google news and she writes for Israeli periodacls with audience of 70,000+ , she meets requirments of notability. Olmert 20:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • User's 8th edit. User registered 38 minutes earlier. --BillC 20:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete. May be a copyvio. Bio is lifted verbatim from the end of this www.israelnewsagency.com/micheleshohatovitzcolonisraelraananaclinic580504.html article -- which is the only one news.google.com/news?q=Shohatovitz Google News turned up, and it isn't "news". -- Robocoder 02:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment Not a copyright vio as if one takes the time to read the conditions of use of the Israel News Agency, one would realize that all material can be used under "Fair Use." As far as it not being news, it is a feature news story reaching millions of readers on Google News. Please do your research before posting. Thanks, Potterseesall 10:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment: It is interesting that the news was published on May 4, after this article was nominated for deletion. -- ReyBrujo 12:19, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment I said may be because I attempted to contact the INA (rather than debate Fair Use here) but email to their yahoo address bounced. And for the record, Shohatovitz's article is not news about a current event ... it is an editorial / op-ed piece about colon hydrotherapy for which she has not citations as a notable expert in the field, as either a practitioner or researcher. -- Robocoder 13:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Meets Wiki policy regarding authors transcending 5,000 readers. Bonnieisrael 18:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment I am still waiting to get a reference about that statement. Google News was uploaded after this AFD process was started, and is basically a copy/paste of the advertisment found in this article. -- ReyBrujo 18:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.