Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michel Bakhoum

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the nomination was No consensus. – Avi 00:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michel Bakhoum

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"Keep"....It is an honor to state that the great professor Dr. Michel Bakhoum is a world renowned leader that had great and unlimited influence on the lives of a significant number of engineering students, professional engineers, professors, and researchers. His successful students are all over the world. His books, publications, and landmark designed projects are the testimony of the great achievements this great man had all over the country of Egypt. It is a great honor to state that I am one of thousands of his students. [N. Grace, Professor and Chairman, Civil Engineering Department, Director, Center for Innovative Materials Research, Lawrence Tech University, USA]


  • Keep Such an accomplished and international figure warrants an article submission on Wikipedia. Many students of Structural Engineering would benefit from an entry like this in a free resource. Consider the revisions made recently to the text.

Delete as a resume for an engineer who passed away in 1981. No substantial assertion of notability or encyclopedic content. {{prod}} tag removed by anonymous user without comment. --Bugwit Speak / Spoken 10:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC) Changing vote to Keep due to revisions made to article...the notability of the subject was less an issue than the fact that it was written as a CV (for me, anyway). The article still needs significant cleanup, but its salvageable now. --Bugwit Speak / Spoken 13:56, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. Sounds like a very experienced engineer, but unfortunately doesn't appear to be notable. DarthVader 12:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Accroding to the article he was a long time professor at Cairo University and has recieved numerous prizes Travelbird 14:10, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep the article. He was really an outstanding person. He had a significant impact on Structural Engineering in Egypt and the Middle East. To give an example, Please read the last paragraph of the article, what some of his colleagues thought of him.

Prof. Dr. Michel Bakhoum, a prominent star who shone in the sky of the 20th Century. He was an able Professor, a profound researcher, and an outstanding Structural Engineer… He had a surpassing capacity for perseverance to work and for distinctive output. His works are a great evidence for his superiority during his life and will remain as an everlasting memory—Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.135.100.52 (talk • contribs)

  • Weak Delete per nom, but this is subject to revision. WP:PROF is the appropriate guideline here. If verifiable sources exist to show that he meets these criteria, if the article is reformatted to Wikipedia standards, if the peacock words of the last paragraph and the Arabic text (except for Dr Bakhoum's name) are removed, it might become an acceptable article; as it stands, it isn't. Tevildo 14:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete a total of about 20 [1] [2] ghits under both versions of his surname helps him fail WP:BIO DavidHumphreys SPEAK TO MEABOUT THE THINGS I MESSED UP 14:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. —Tapir Terrific 15:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC) Abstain, now that there has been a major overhaul of the article. -Tapir Terrific 22:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - we don't put resumes here (delete per nom) --Kungfu Adam (talk) 20:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete — although it would be good to have an article on Michel Bakhoum, we cannot have this kind of article. The article began as copyvio, but the article's creator kept trying to remove the tags. What we have now is a boring CV. If someone can create an article about Bakhoum that hasn't been copied from somewhere and consists of full sentences of good biographical information, we can keep the article. Otherwise, delete. — Gareth Hughes 19:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Copyvio of the late professor's apparently reasonably popular english language textbook, including listing his major professional society memberships. The original copyvio article establishes that Bakhoum meets WP:PROF notability, under several categories. The current article does not, but there is a difference between "Doesn't meet" and "Article doesn't currently show how they meet". Subject just has to be notable. Is the current article a CV, or just weak? It does not appear to contain the earlier CV quotes from the book. What are unresolved nomination criteria for this deletion? Georgewilliamherbert 08:51, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


*Keep the article: Please refer to the revised article. User:Dr. Mourad Michel Bakhoum8 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Sorry...you are only allowed one keep or delete "vote" in the discussion. --Bugwit Speak / Spoken 14:09, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Dr. Prof. Michel Bakhoum was one of the best structural engineers in Egypt who enriched Egypt with numerous major and important buildings and bridges. A whole generation of engineers were taught by him and value the importance of the article to be kept on wikipedia.

I see the article as a very interesting article and it has imporoved a lot and should be kept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.114.58.8 (talk • contribs)

*Keep:Although Egypt has a very long and ancient history of great architecture, its present has very few scientists and engineers. Dr. Prof. Michel Bakhoum was one of the few present engineers who highly contributed to the current Egyptian engineering. He was not only a great and genius engineer but also a great Professor, who taught as mentioned in the article more than ten thousand civil engineers. His designs and teachings has greatly affected the urban development of the city of Cairo and many other cities in Egypt. I believe the article should be kept to inform young students all over the world about his great achievements that are an incentive to each and everyone to achieve more in his/her career. I as a young Egyptian female engineer do not rely on what our ancient Egyptians did but value their mind and their great architecture as much as I value Dr. Michel Bakhoum, the teacher and model of thousands. People like him, who achieve and serve for all their lives are for all of us, young researchers, great examples. Therefore I, and my fellow young scientists and engineers, believe the article must be kept because Dr. Michel Bakhoum is not a forgotten history but a living influence. User:Dina Bakhoum

You are only allowed one keep or delete "vote" for the AfD discussion. (User:62.114.58.8 = User:Dina Bakhoum) --Bugwit Speak / Spoken 15:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment While I have changed my vote due to the revision of the article, I cannot help but be concerned about the contributions to the discussion and the article by what appear to be relatives of the subject (User:Dr. Mourad Michel Bakhoum/User:62.135.100.52 and User:Dina Bakhoum/User:62.114.58.8 in the AfD discussion, for example.) I do not disagree that Dr. Bakhoum is notable enough to warrant an article, but it seems that these two contributors, being relatives, present the possibility of not adhering to WP:NPOV and WP:AUTO. I am not reverting my change of heart regarding my "vote", just voicing a concern. --Bugwit Speak / Spoken 15:22, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: I do understand and appreciate your concern about our votes being relatives to the subject but I want to assure you that the reason for our votes is not because we are related to Michel Bakhoum, but because we believe he was an important Egyptian figure with great achievements. Michel Bakhoum is listed in wikipedia in the list of famous Egyptian people among other Egyptian architects. His contributions to Egyptian engineering are no less important than those of the recent architect Hassan Fathy or the ancient Egyptian architect Imhotep. As engineers and as Egyptians (not as relatives) we would like our votes to be considered as we believe that he is, as mentioned before, a living influence and not a forgotten history. Dina Bakhoum
  • Keep: Please, keep this article. It helps preserve the legacy of a great person who contributed a lot to the development of modern Egypt. I grew up in Cairo, Egypt and went to the school of engineering in Cairo University. Many of us regard him as the greatest civil engineer and one of the best professors of civil engineering in the 20th century in the middle east. I believe people who know about him can contribute to this article and eventually turn it into a first class biography. George Jonaris
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