Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael McKay (astronaut)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Although this person was in a program that typically launches people into notability, he did not rise to meet our notability standards. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 22:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

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Does participation in an astronaut program automatically confer notability? This person never flew in space. He resigned two years after entering the Canadian astronaut program. Nothing else in his career seems notable. Suttungr (talk) 14:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

  • And yet there's not a single source in the article itsownself. Google hits are NOT a substitute for actual reliable sources, and, pray tell, how can this guy pass "WP:BIO and WP:NPOV, V and OR" without those? --Calton | Talk 15:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
    • I never claimed ghits as a keep reason; those links show links to actual, reliable sources. I agree he seems a pretty minor person and I'm not interested in expanding the article but that's a WP:BIAS; it passes the inclusion criteria, so keep. DoubleBlue (Talk) 15:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
    • BIO: "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Has he? yes. DoubleBlue (Talk) 19:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Nope, you've provided nothing other than a link to Google results, which is nothing more than handwaving. Provide ACTUAL multiple non-trivial reliable sources and then you'd at least have a start. --Calton | Talk 01:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. -- DoubleBlue (Talk) 15:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not the slightest sign of any real-world impact, notability, or notice. Being in the astronaut program =/= being an astronaut. --Calton | Talk 15:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • If he'd actually gone on a shuttle mission, I'd obviously say keep. But he didn't, and simply participating in the astronaut program isn't sufficient. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 18:01, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:BIO and nominator...--Camaeron (talk) 18:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per Calton. GreenJoe 20:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - a number of independent, reliable sources exist - satisfies WP:N and WP:BIO. BRMo (talk) 23:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. I added some references. --Eastmain (talk) 00:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete I can find sources that mention him, but I do not see any independent reliable sources about him. The ones cited in the article itself appear to be about his company or about the Canadian space program in general.--FreeKresge (talk) 18:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. What did this person ever do? I simply don't understand why this article was created in the first place. (!) (jarbarf) (talk) 02:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • delete. The WP:BIO guideline is clear it says "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention." There is nothing significant about his life apart from the fact that he failed to go into Space, which is sad. ⇨ EconomistBR ⇦ Talk 20:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Delete as per nom and WP:BIO Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.