Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael J. Broderick

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, potential sockpuppetry between Controllerman and Michaeljbroderick. Sr13 01:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael J. Broderick

Michael J. Broderick (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Autobiography, notability not established or sourced per WP:BIO. Reads like a resume. RJASE1 Talk 13:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you, please see discussion for page. This is a work in progress. "Reads like resume" comment is subjective. Citations are clearly listed in discussion. Michaeljbroderick 13:17, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Userfy: Doesn't appear to meet WP:BIO. --AbsolutDan (talk) 14:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, fails :BIO. Limited details may be appropriate for userfication if Mr Broderick wishes to continue editing. Deiz talk 14:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:AUTO and WP:BIO. Moreschi Talk 17:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete — Fails WP:BIO and no references. I couldn't find any sources through search engines, so probable non-notable. *Cremepuff222* "As cool as grapes..." 18:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep: Broderick is a well known casino marketing expert. Has numerous publications in respected casino and gaming periodicals. Michael J. Broderick appears in search engines. 500,000 Google hits, writes in Indian Gaming Magazine [1] and IGWB Magazine [2]. He also spoken at the Global Gaming Expo [3] Controllerman 19:29, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Reality check: "Michael J. Broderick" +casino returns 94 total Ghits [4]. Subtract press releases and other PR material and you're not left with much. Controllerman links to a Yahoo search though, so let's try that: [5] - nope I don't see 500,000 there either -- 268, again many are PR pieces. But we don't count G/Yhits anyway. Oh, and Michaeljbroderick/Controllerman: have a read of WP:SOCK before creating any additional accounts. --AbsolutDan (talk) 20:22, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
      • AbsoluteDan: Controllerman is not me. Thank you.Michaeljbroderick 05:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
        • I trust you would understand, however, that accounts created solely to comment positively on an AfD about an autobiography are viewed with suspicion by many experienced editors. Please forgive any unintentional offence such opinions may cause, as assertions that WP:SOCK has been violated in such cases are regrettably almost invariably accurate. Deiz talk 09:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, per above. The guy must feel lonely to write an article about himself ;).--Svetovid 22:49, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Svetovid: "The guy must feel lonely to write an article about himself" comment is subjective and innapropriate. As a new user and I am unfamiliar with WP protocol as of yet. My inclusion was not vanity nor puffery, it was an attempt to begin to fill a blatant void in WP on notable casino industry operators other than Donald Trump, Steve Wynn, Terri Lanni, etc. Thank you. I apologize to all editors if I have offended your sensibilities and WP TOS.Michaeljbroderick 06:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Svetoid, I urge you to retract that statement. Whatever the outcome of this AfD is, Michaeljbroderick is a new user and should not be treated in such an impolite manner. He may well decide to contribute further to Wikipedia outside of this article, and that sort of thing is only going to leave a sour taste in his mouth about us. Riana ⁂ 05:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Stellatomailing 00:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per comments made by "User:Cremepuff222". Nat Tang talk to me! | Check on my contributions!|Email Me! 04:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: Once again, Broderick is a noted and respected expert in the casino industry. Although mentioned by me above, Google hits and search hits not justifed reason for AfD. There is a significant void of notable experts in this industry. And while not cited or referenced (yet), substantial and verafiable information exists on the guy. Just the article is not completed. Plus (and I do not mean to point fingers) the opinion of a 14 year old who knows nothing about gaming and probably has never stepped into a casino carries no validity.Controllerman 19:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Controllerman, Please refrain from voting a second time. Thank you. Nat Tang talk to me! | Check on my contributions!|Email Me! 21:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Nat Tang, Please do not edit my contribution to the discussion. This is not a voting process. Refer to:it does not operate like one. Your changes are an indication to edit-warring. Any further modifications will be reported to an administrator.Controllerman 00:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Please discuss any further disputes regarding such procedural matters on the talk page of this article or one of the user's talk page. I have begun a discussion on Controllerman's talk page here. --AbsolutDan (talk) 00:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
        • Rest assured that several administrators are watching this discussion, and they will be more than happy to take action if anyone acts improperly. As far as I can see, everything is functioning normally here. Deiz talk 03:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment Well, the cold facts are that Mr.Broderick worked mostly (if not only) in small casinos, none in Vegas. He was mentioned five times in the Google news archives, none as an expert. There were 425 speakers in the last edition of the Global Gaming Expo, so unless he got great reviews from WP:RS of his conferences, I do not suppose this would be grounds for notability. The hispanic prize is too limited to be taking into consideration. The Romero prize was conceded for his contribution in the small casinos category, but we do not know how many people competed for the prize, not even how many judges and their credentials. Maybe this information could lend some notability. The conference where the prize was conceded (Casino marketing Conference) has only 10 mentions in the Google news archives, all press releases. This is a sign the conference itself is not notable.Stellatomailing 00:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep* I don’t know if I can comment on my own article, or if I am breaking a cardinal rule here, but if I am, my apologies as there is no malfeasance intended. If I may make a few observations and indulge in the other editor’s time I would appreciate it. First of all, as a new user to WP I did not know the correct policies and procedures to creating articles and editing, especially if the editor has a direct relationship to the article, for this I say Mea culpa. I should have done more research instead of a cursory review. Second, I am surprised about the lack of material in WP regarding the men and women who are notable and respected in the gaming and hospitality industry, above and beyond the Steve Wynns and Benny Binons and Donald Trumps. The men who have molded the industry to what it is today. A few names (especially on the marketing side) would be casino host superstar and groundbreaker to modern-day player development Steve Cyr, or John Romero, the Godfather of modern day casino direct mail marketing, or Dennis Conrad, Stanford graduate and casino marketing guru. Or how about Todd Moyer, former Senior VP of marketing for the Trump Marina who’s innovative and entertaining casino floor promotions have set the standard in the industry. Do any of these names ring a bell? No? I thought not, but ask anyone in this business who these people are and they will know. The list could go on and on, but I wish to be brief. On that note, I wrote about the best person I knew who has made a significant impact on gaming and casino promotions, especially market driven, targeted behavioral casino promotions. And please do not be mislead or swayed by Stellatomailing’s insinuations that I have only worked in small casinos and none of them in Vegas and therefore am not noteworthy of a WP article. This is only indicative of this editor’s (and possibly others) ignorance of the industry. If any one takes the time to research Lincoln Park (now known as Twin River) in Lincoln, Rhode Island, they will see that it has over 4,500 gaming devices on its floor. NO CASINO IN VEGAS EVEN COMES CLOSE to this number, and, as a extra note, this is considered to be the 4th largest casino in the country, after Foxwoods, Mohegan Sun, and Bally’s AC (which by the way none of these are in Las Vegas). And if you take the time to research the Southern California properties I have had the privilege to serve, you will see that Trump 29 Casino had 2,000 positions and Agua Caliente with the Spa Resort Casino had a combination of 2,000 devices, which by industry standards is considered to be very, very large. Finally, the Romero Awards are considered to be the premier prize for a casino marketer. More so than an ADDY or any other advertising or marketing award. Do not try to diminish the value of this prize as in the eyes of the industry (which by the way I again repeat Stellatomailing seems to have no experience or understanding) is very important and respected. If you do the research you will see that the judges are more than qualified and the awards are named after a great man in this industry. And don’t even get me started about the International Hispanic Awards or the Sol Azteca. It is shameful that recognition of something that has given because of a significant and positive contribution to a community has been minimized in the manner expressed above. In a last note (I promise) I would like to thank Controllerman for correcting the references in the article. I have an inkling that no one who has already contributed to the conversation will take the time to substantiate through the citations from respected third party periodicals the documented contributions suggested in the article, but after seeing the abundance of criticism on the obvious and overt display of groupthink as well as journalistic and editorial amateurism shown here and on WP, this is to be expected. I mean honestly, where can a 14 year-old make a “significant” contribution on a topic that the have never seen or participated in. That’s like me editing or thinking of contributing on a topic like quantum physics. Let the experts decide, but then of course I doubt there are too many of them here as they are probably all working at their respective casinos. And Athaenara, nice VSCA comment. Real classy. LOL. Flame away and chao!Michaeljbroderick 23:46, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Michael: don't get angry. I understand you are saying that those are the biggest casino's by numbr of slot machines([6], we know that the most cash and most profitable is Foxwoods, or are we talking about footage? Or cash? No matter what, isn't it a fact that the Strip market is the largest in the US? You could have worked in big or small casinos, but did you create a marketing campaign that changed the entire industry and everybody adopted? Did somebody write about it? About the prize, it can be a fantastic prize (please note that I am just asking you to provide the notability for it), but both my opinion and yours do not really matter in this case - i.e., it doesn't matter if I like the Oscars or not, everybody else likes it and it can be verified. This is why I asked for judges, number of entries, who fought for the prize... and it must be in writing somewhere. Do the convention include everybody, or they invite only certain people to talk? What are the grounds for eligibility? I went through the links you provided, and I do not see anything from AP, Reuters, CNN,etc. saying that you are an expert, only some articles mentioning you without qualifying you. When I mentioned the Sol Azteca prize, if it is awarded only to people who helped the Hispanic Community, you are excluding too many people to consider it as a notable award (to Wikipedia, remember).

There is a number of things that can be said regarding your contributions to the industry, etc. - but there is an easy way to set that dispute without fighting: please provide WP:RS that you have the notability to be in Wikipedia. Stellatomailing 01:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.