Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miami mafia 2

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 12:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miami mafia

Miami mafia (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) - (View log)

Nomination for deletion Article for supposedly famous and influential University of Miami alumni group connected with Drew Rosenhaus and "dedicated to dominating the fields of business, politics, and sports by any means necessary" fails WP:V for reliable sources. Current article only has a couple blog links for references.

Yes, there was a previous afd in October 2006 but this was speedy closed as the nominator didn't actually want to delete and seemed to have confused afd for a merge debate forum.

Now,about those blog links:

1) The Fantasy Sports Trades Blog post directly references [1] this November 2005 Wikipedia article which is the only apparent source for the "Miami Mafia" claim. The Wikipedia article statement is unsourced.

2) Yes, the second blog is on the Fox Sports website but its also a fan community blog written by some random guy who's a contestant in a Fox sportswriting competition (see the red sidebar on the right[2]), not actually by a professional sports writer on the Fox staff. This source is referred to in the current article as if it is an official Fox sports news report.)

Google and Factiva searches:

Screening a google search to filter out "miami mafia" hits related to Opposition_to_Fidel_Castro gives ~378 hits, mostly spam or wikimirror sites[3].

Factiva news and magazine database search gives zero hits for "miami mafia" + "Drew Rosenhaus". 62 hits on google[4] - basically just wikimirrors and spam sites.

Factiva gives 3 university of miami hits for "miami mafia".

These Factiva hits are all passing mentions:

• in the Dallas Morning News (Jan 10 1991, literally just the line "David was almost family in Johnson's Miami Mafia." i.e. Jimmy Johnson - a coach at U.Miami but an alumnus of the University of Arkansas, not Miami; and David Shula who is an alumnus of Dartmouth College, not Miami).)

• in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel (August 12 2001 - literally just a quick reference to the U.Miami coaching team: Butch Davis's "Miami Mafia is a cast of two: secondary coach Chuck Pagano and Pete Garcia. Butch Davis is another alumnus of Arkansas, not Miami. Chuck Pagano is an alumnus of the University of Wyoming, not Miami[5]. Pete Garcia is a Miami alumnus[6].

• in the Washington Times (Nov 13, 2006) - used in headline "Miami Mafia busted" and then only again at the end: "But this season it's just not happening for the Redskins' Miami Mafia". The use of the term in the headline is the strongest claim so far for the term. However, the article is about Miami University alumni who are players on the Washington Redskins who were hired by Coach Joe Gibbs, a graduate of the San Diego State University, not Miami.

Conclusions:

1) Current article is based on unreliable sources - a fan blog entry and a blog entry based on an unsourced wikipedia article.

2) No indication of more reliable references from general google (nothing on google book either[7].

3) Factiva brings up very few uses of the term which are all different. None of them related to Drew Rosenhaus. None of them suggest a group of Miami alumni "dedicated to dominating the fields of business, politics, and sports by any means necessary".

4) Recommend deletion of this article's content, removal of the related content from Drew Rosenhaus and University of Miami, and redirect to Opposition to Fidel Castro

Bwithh 04:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per (overly long) nom. Bucketsofg 04:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Lack of research is why this article has persisted. Wikipedia does not suffer from excessive/"overly long" research efforts Bwithh 04:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nom (thanks for doing the research). As this article is not well-sourced, this could be considered an attack page, which is worrisome. --N Shar 04:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Per nom - unverifiable super-secret society. -- No Guru 06:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Maxamegalon2000 06:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per well-researched nom. Tony Fox (arf!) 21:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - Per... extensively detailed nomination. .V. -- (^Talk_Email) 06:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete A hoax, a conspiracy theory or a libel. Either way not a good thing to keep. User:Dimadick

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.