Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Messiahs in fiction

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Chick Bowen 04:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Messiahs in fiction

Delete Article seems to be composed primarily of original research, and many of the instances mentioned appear to be unverifiable. It presently contains 58 kb of text and not a single reference or citation. Additionally, if this list were to be expanded to fully contain all fictional characters who shared the characteristics it described, the page would be far too long. Any individual characters with a verifiable messianic role should have that role covered in their article, not in one gigantic page like this. -- tjstrf Now on editor review! 22:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Very weak keep but only if condensed and cited. I'm torn on this one. I think a list/discussion of the topic is fine. It is certainly a more viable list-style topic than many others I've seen. And it's also something that someone might want to read up on. However as noted this article has very little by way of citations except that the productions themselves could be seen to be the primary sources. 23skidoo 05:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. One of better looking lists in Category:In popular culture. This kind of articles was invented to put cultural references outside the main text to keep it more on topic. It works rather well. May be renamed to "Messiahs in popular culture" and the link to it could be better placed in Messiah.

What regards "citations" - these texts are not about scientific projects. Example of high quality "In popular culture" article is Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc. Pavel Vozenilek 14:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I am really not buying the definition of "messiah" that the article presents, or even the definition used by the category. For now, I think the category should be sufficient, but dying and come back doesn't necessarily make someone a messiah. Danny Lilithborne 21:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Reply My point exactly. The definition of "messiah" there is effectively equivalent to the archetypical protagonist in fantasy. If the article is kept, it will need its subject redefined. --tjstrf Now on editor review! 22:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
• weak keep - the definition of "messiah" needs to be better defined (the given definition doesn't jive with the definition at messiah), the list needs to be pruned to match, and references are obviously needed- I'm not certain that quality references for this sort of thign could be found. Many of the examples given just don't fit, even with the very loose definition of messiah given (I removed the Lord of the Rings section before I noticed the AFD). Otherwise, BALORT it, per WP:NOR.--DarthBinky 23:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.