Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Menzoberranzan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:37, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Menzoberranzan

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Non-notable fictional location. Not enough is written in third-party sources about this location to provide references that support the construction of a meaningful Wikipedia article. The page currently consists of original research. Mikeblas 08:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per [WP:Plot]], WP:WAF, and WP:FICT. Ridernyc 11:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletions. --Gavin Collins 11:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as there are no primary sources to verify the origins of this plot summary and no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate real-world notability outside of the TSR, Inc franchise. --Gavin Collins 11:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Comment there is a video game by the same name (and set in the same locale): [1]. Not to mention being a setting in a major set of novels does merit some idea of redirection. I suggest consideration of that instead of jumping to deletion. 68.101.22.132 15:48, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep One of the most important locations in the Forgotten Realms. Subject of its own boxed set [2]. Article is not the best written, but nothing here that can't be fixed, even if that means cutting out most and starting over from bare bones. BOZ 16:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Obvious Keep - Per my arguments at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rod_of_Seven_Parts, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Artemis Entreri, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mielikki_(Forgotten_Realms), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bruenor Battlehammer and the arguments of others at the similarly ill-advised Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Furyondy and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faerûn (this last is particularly relevant as it is a similar setting, and was almost - and should probably have been since there were many "keeps" and only one "merge" - snowball kept). Tedious, almost pointy WP:IDONTLIKEIT nomination that ignores editor consensus; unfortunately becoming quite common in Articles for Discussion discussions. Amazing. ◄Zahakiel► 17:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. I was the one who removed the prod tag, added the primary sources tag, and added a short stubby section on development to encourage expansion. This article is undoubtedly bad now, but guess what? This is Wikipedia, land of "we prefer amateurish badness to nothing with the hope it can be improved." I can assert that out-of-universe information exists (development, reception, etc.), though it might be tricky to dig up. Wikipedia is not on a deadline, so as long as a good article can eventually be written...

Even if such extra information proves small in the long term, then at worst the article can be merged to a more general "Underdark of Faerun" or other Faerun article, not deleted. SnowFire 17:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep—mainly because this has been used in multiple works of fiction, especially with respect to Drizzt Do'Urden. Yes it needs to be referenced. — RJH (talk) 19:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Used as the setting for many different novels and game modules. Transcends a single work of fiction. --Polaron | Talk 02:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per above --ZeWrestler ^Talk 02:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - the setting of multiple New York Times best selling books. A unique setting and one that can be referenced and improved. Web Warlock (talk) 18:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.