Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melodic metalcore

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. It seems to be a neologism using self-references and unreliable sources with unverifiable claims, causing original research. I appreciate the enthusiasm of Mezmerized, but I hope Mezmerized read our policies and guidelines and rewrite a better article. Carlosguitar 10:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Melodic metalcore

Melodic metalcore (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Article is a mash of WP:OR and lack of verifiability. The article did have the appearance of having citations but the vast majority turned out to be dead end links to Wikipedia articles and/or Urban Dictionary quotes (Which my raised suspicions about whether or not this article belongs on Wikipedia). In my opinion, it just seems like someone has dreamt this article up one day and stuck it on Wikipedia, there is so much rambling prose it does actually seem like a daydream. One example of WP:OR: "Melodic metalcore is oftentimes more melodic than "normal" metalcore..." - That sentence is particularly amusing. Scarian^Talk 12:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Bollocks. Colonel Warden 12:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as per WP:BOLLOCKS. LOL @ all the refs coming from other WP pages too! Lugnuts 12:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, I got one hard laugh. Definitely WP:BULLSHIT. Maybe keep it for five days so we can all laugh about it. Mindraker 12:52, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment - it's articles like these that make me want to drop what I'm doing on Wikipedia and go straight to Unencyclopedia and start all over again... Scarian^Talk 12:54, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - just another one of those "make-believe" genres that someone made up during school recess. Peter Fleet 19:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete it's not melodic metalcore, it's speed bollocks life grindcore with a dash of twist and lemon Will ^(talk) 22:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete I feel kind of bad for the well-meaning bloke who took the trouble to add all those "citations"; all of them are either internal links to wiki pages (most of them already deleted!) or external links to unreliable garbage like Urban Dictionary. Sigh.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 15:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. Jeez. Maybe you could just say delete and give a reason, but NOOO, you have to go "This is bullshit", "This is so bad, its funny", and even going out of your way to call me a "bloke". I got the SAME CRAP over at the "List of metalcore bands". Jeez. Whatever happened to WP:CIVIL? If I become the target of this complete lack of civility again, Ill quit. Jesus F*****g Christ. Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 18:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I can't speak for the other voters, but I believe you misunderstand me. I find you a charming, industrious editor with good intentions but a poor understanding of citation/verifiability standards. Bloke is not an insult, at least anywhere that I've traveled. Isn't it just like "dude" or "mate" or "guy?"--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 18:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

"Bloke is not an insult, at least anywhere that I've traveled. Isn't it just like 'dude' or 'mate' or 'guy?'" Yeah. But I didnt know that until my brother told me at dinnertime. Sorry about that.

"...a poor understanding of citation/verifiability standards" That is unfortunately true. But also unfortunately...

"I can't speak for the other voters". Understandably. But here are some comments...

"I got one hard laugh. Definitely WP:BULLSHIT. Maybe keep it for five days so we can all laugh about it." or "it's articles like these that make me want to drop what I'm doing on Wikipedia and go straight to Unencyclopedia and start all over again..." (more particular, the complete lack of civility) that pissed me off. I mean, the article is not that bad, is it? I probably overreacted on the quitting part, though.

Oh, and to the scarian guy, this article was made more than once. So obviously, its not some random daydream. Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 23:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't think it was cool for them to laugh at you like that; it's not like you're a deliberate vandal or troublemaker. Here's what I would suggest.... familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Then go look on really mainstream websites and magazines like the All Music Guide and Rolling Stone and see if you can find any mention of "melodic metalcore" as a genre or style. If you can find it a reference, put it in the article. The closest thing I found on your references to a reliable source was a link to a page from rockdetector.com; but even that's probably not reliable enough to satisfy most of these editors. And, you know, if the article gets deleted again, don't give up. Just find some quality references and start over, either in a subsection of the metalcore article, or have a friendly admin userfy the page for a while, until your citations are solid and deletionist-proof.

Mostly, don't let other editors get you down with their snarky remarks. It sounds corny, but it's easy for them to forget that there are real people with actual feelings attached to these accounts; I know I'm guilty of this myself sometime. Let me know if I can help in any way.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 00:13, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

All right. Thanks for the encouragement, by the way. It really helps. :D Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 01:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Now for my opinion: Keep. First off, to some of the responders: WP:BOLLOCKS (thus WP:BULLSHIT) isnt a policy, its an essay, so it cant be used to argue deletion. Anyway, maybe it needs cleanup, but its WP:NOTABLE^[1] ([1]), and it is a term that is in use^[2] ([2]). So cleanup and keep. Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 19:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment pulled over from User:Mezmerizer's talk page: "...to the scarian guy, this article was made more than once. So obviously, its not some random daydream." - Yeah, that may be the case but the way it was written this time (I'm assuming that neither were written the exact same) made it seem like a dream. There were some sentences in there that gave that impression. I didn't mean to come off uncivil and I never once laughed at you... One of my motto's on Wikipedia is "Comment on content, not the contributor" and I stuck to that. Apologies if it seemed as though I was being a prick, but I honestly did not mean to offend you. I was attacking the content of the article, nothing and/or no one else. Is that alright? I appreciate your enthusiasm for Wikipedia. Scarian^Talk 20:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

"Yeah, that may be the case but the way it was written this time (I'm assuming that neither were written the exact same) made it seem like a dream. There were some sentences in there that gave that impression." Yeah. Sorry if I gave you that impression.

"I didn't mean to come off uncivil..." Dont worry about it. I didnt mean to target you, anyway, because you did nothing wrong.

"...and I never once laughed at you..." True. That laughing thing was mainly aimed at Lugnuts and Mindraker.

"Apologies if it seemed as though I was being a prick, but I honestly did not mean to offend you." Understood. I did get a little offended by the "it's articles like these that make me want to drop what I'm doing on Wikipedia and go straight to Unencyclopedia and start all over again...", but at times, I can be hypersensitive, do dont sweat it.

"I was attacking the content of the article, nothing and/or no one else. Is that alright?" Yeah. That is. I just overreacted about the starting over thing.

"I appreciate your enthusiasm for Wikipedia." And I appreciate the apologys and your opinion (well, sort of, anyway ;]) Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 22:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete - I'm sorry but there's already a metalcore page, if you really believe this is an actual genre then try listing it on the metalcore page, but as far as I know there is melodic death metal (melodeath) and melodic forms of other typs of metal...but metalcore is already watered down melodic metal. See WP:Bullshit. 'Nuff said. Navnløs 22:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I just read the article...wow. There is so much wrong in it I can't believe it's not deleted yet. Melodic metalcore is a mix of early melodeath and early metalcore??? WTF, PLEASE! Metalcore already is a mix of the early melodeath scene mixed in with watered down elements and punk. This article does not make sense and should be terminated and never brought up again. I know my metal and I know my bullshit. Navnløs 22:35, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Ease up. Don't be that harsh. It's not just not fair to the guy. Read WP:NICE. Scarian^Talk 22:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Scarian!

Anyway, as I stated before, WP:BULLSHIT cant be used as a reason for deletion because it is an essay and not a policy. Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 23:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete per unreliable sources (using Wikipedia to cite a Wikipedia page? Seriously?) and WP:BOLLOCKS; also a neologism. Ours18 01:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.