Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melissa Smith

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The result was delete. Wizardman 23:23, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Melissa Smith

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Disputed prod. Doesn't have strong notability claims, serial nn reality TV contestant, nn model, nn singer. Happy to be persuaded otherwise. Dweller (talk) 09:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

• Weak keep. Articles have been kept for less notoriety than that, but the article could really use some sources...any sources, actually. Duncan1800 (talk) 10:20, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Is that an WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument? I agree with you it needs RS, but what do you think is the notability claim on which the article should be kept (if sourced)? --Dweller (talk) 10:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

My bad, I'll strike that first part. Sourcing is the biggest thing here - pretty much anyone who competes in a reality show gets some sort of press these days, much of which is probably available online. If that can be added to the article, I'm all for it. She did appear regularly in two nationally-televised programs on top-tier networks; that's not nothing by most standards. Duncan1800 (talk) 10:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, no appearance of meeting WP:MUSIC, and non-winners of reality shows are not considered inherently notable. --Dhartung | Talk 14:15, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep,An actress who has appeared in various TV shows, a film and independent films too. She's appeared in two reality TV shows, both of which she got far in. She is a signed solo singer now too, this should not be deleted at all! There's so much worse articles in terms of people not being well known but this person has appeared in big productions and a big amount of things to warrant an article. It just needs some more sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.143.21 (talk) 18:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Appearing as an extra does not bring notability, nor does losing in reality TV shows, unless it brings unusual notoriety etc, like Nasty Nick. Signed solo singer is also not notable until a notable release is made, per WP:CRYSTAL. And you end with a WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument, which merely argues that other articles should be deleted too. Feel free to list them at AfD. --Dweller (talk) 11:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
• I'm going to jump in here and offer a delete argument. I'd say that the subject Melissa Smith is a (admittedly, narrow) failure of Wikipedia:Notability: notability hasn't been established with reliable sources independent of the subject, to any robust degree. Indeed, articles have been kept for less in the past; overall, however: I'd agree with the nomination statement–a non-notable subject, going on provided sources, at least. Anthøny 00:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, I spent some time editing her page and I have looked into her background as both a singer/actress, she has not just appeared as an extra in productions infact she has appeared as a featured guest star and in lead roles. She has released a music video for her first single and appeared in two big reality TV shows. It's quite evident that shes well known enough to have this wikipedia article.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.