Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medina neighborhoods

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 15:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Medina neighborhoods

These areas described as neighborhoods in Medina County, Ohio are nothing more than mere housing subdivisions. Although the notability guidelines do not address places, I expect that a subdivision must display some special significance (which these do not) in order to justify an article. If not, Wikipedia would be overrun with articles on individual subdivisions and gated communities. - EurekaLott 00:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete I could tolerate a "Medina Neighborhood List" but each one does not deserve their own article without some individual establishment of notability. 205.157.110.11 00:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete I'm waiting until someone starts articles on city blocks. Baseball,Baby! balls•strikes 03:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nomination. -- Captain Disdain 05:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 08:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment There is clearly a need to establish what constitutes a neighborhood. Most of the neighborhood articles that I have read do not establish notability, even those that are in my mind notable e.g. Little Italy, Manhattan, Noe Valley, San Francisco, California. It is also true that unincorporated places are clear keepers on wikipedia. These neighborhoods do not seem notable to me and it is unclear to me that they are neighborhoods at all. Nonetheless it seems that true neighborhoods would always be notable, as they are often deliniated on maps etc. I don't think that suburban gated communities or subdivisions constitute a neighborhood.--Nick Y. 17:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep List of neighborhoods in Medina, Ohio. As I mention on that talk page, there seems to be a precedent for lists of neighborhoods as evidenced by List of neighborhood listings by city. I'm undecided on the individual neighborhood articles, but perhaps information from the other articles could be merged into the list. Lbbzman 17:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. -- Alias Flood 18:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep: Simply based on wiki guidelines (or lack there of in respect to sub-divisions), these developments "technically" seem to merit articles. 64.12.116.137 20:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep I think that we should err on the side of keep, not because these are notable neighborhoods but simply because neighborhoods are notable. I'm not certain these qualify as neighborhoods though?--Nick Y. 20:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge into Medina, Ohio. The main city article doesn't even link to the neighborhoods article and isn't large enough to justify separate articles of relatively indistinguished neighborhoods. No assertion is made of the notability of the individual neighborhoods, but may be relevant to someone researching the city. Neil916 22:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC).
  • Keep but really only if every use of "neighborhood" is replaced with "sub-division." I would even support a merge, either alltogether as Sub-divisions in/of Medina, Ohio (ideal) or with Medina, Ohio 205.188.116.199 00:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Comment: I would support a Keep or Merge. Delete seems a little harsh for information that does indeed follow wiki criteria/guidelines. 152.163.100.74 19:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, but merge per Neil916. Information isn't unnotable, just not enough for its own article Antares33712 22:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep all articles in question: Articles are still in the works. I kindly request that the community gives them a chance. I am currently devoting time in an effort to make them all more consise and relavant. Nick22aku 03:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Relisting to allow clear consensus to develop. - brenneman {L} 07:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, but merge per Neil916 and Antares33712. "Give me time isn't an argument that should cut any ice - if you feel the article can be improved, you need to do it now. Nobody can vote based on the idea that thhe article will be better in a possible future. Vizjim 09:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Has smerge fallen out of parlance lately? Montville Township, Medina County, Ohio could benefit from a brief mention of the neighborhoods' names, and links to things such as the homeowners' associations. But we don't need to know the names of the streets or that a neighborhood is supposedly "luxurious". Some of the content reads like an ad and isn't helping the problem. Jacqui★ 21:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Comment: "Luxurious" was used simply because many of the homes have a value of $1+ million - But if that term is a problem I will be happy to remove it.
For future reference when writing an article, a specific (that the homes are $1 mill+) is always better than what many Wikipedians consider "weasel words" like luxurious. Jacqui★ 17:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
...even better, you used a perfect example of weasel words in the response above (i.e. "what many Wikipedians consider") ;) ;) 152.163.100.74 16:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Smerge then. These are subdivisions and a couple read like ads. --Dhartung | Talk 05:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Subdivisions are not notible by definition. smash them. --Musaabdulrashid 13:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Fox Meadow Estates, Medina, Ohio and Normandy Park, Medina, Ohio. However, we could all do without Rustic Hills, Medina, Ohio (nothing more than a one-liner and external link) and List of neighborhoods in Medina, Ohio (better as a template). 152.163.100.74 15:52, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Neighborhoods can be bigger than many communities or small towns. Valid if treated correctly. --JJay 16:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Merge however (per Neil916, Antares33712, Vizjim) is an option but not necessary. HomeTOWNboy 20:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
  • keep and please give these articles a chance neighborhoods are important Yuckfoo 23:32, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.