Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MechScape

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE. -Splash - tk 20:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MechScape

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Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. You can't write an article on rumors. There has been no official announcement at all and no solid proof. Coasttocoast 03:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete - Additionally, it's entirely WP:OR. --SesameballTalk 05:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Hemhem20X6 06:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. L337 kybldmstr 07:11, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletions. --Gavin Collins 08:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unverifiable speculation. --Blanchardb 09:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Claims are sourced and verifiable. --RS Ren 10:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Change to keep or redirect. As per CaptainVindaloo. --RS Ren 16:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment. Yeah, here is one of your contributions to the article: MechScape is believed to the name of an upcoming 'undisclosed game' . --Blanchardb 11:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment. The fact that they are working on an 'undisclosed game' is a quote from Jagex recruitment material. There is verifiable evidence that MechScape is a name used by Jagex (including the published Trade Marks Journal) and evidence that they are developing a space MMORPG (CV's, concept art, supported LinkedIn accounts cooberated by Jagex job vacancies and public statements). There are claims from people who know say they know current/former Jagex employees and that those employees tell them that this is the case, with logical supporting evidence such as domain name registration, the categories of the patent (specifically the US patent) and the nature of the name itself. If you feel there is insufficient evidence to put 1 and 1 together then just propose that the two separate streams of verifiable facts be merged into the Jagex article with a redirect from MechScape as they both related to Jagex, possibly with a message that some sources say that X is Y for reasons Z. Don't propose that they are deleted. --RS Ren 13:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, this is a synthesis of a few facts to create a piece of speculation. Neil ☎ 14:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, there is only evidence that Jagex are doing someting related to the word or name "MechScape" from the registered domain names; all other information is based on speculation and assumptions. So there's really isn't enough reliable information to make the article except "jagex are using the name mechscape for something because they registered the trademark and websites with it".--Snakese 15:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
    Note to closing admin - Snakese (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) has been blocked as a sockpuppet of The Negotiator (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log). CaptainVindaloo t c e 23:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, then recreate it when they actually announce it. Currently, it's nothing but speculation and original research. Despite the fact that Jagex says they're working on an "undisclosed game", there is no way to reliably and conclusively prove that Mechscape is that game. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 16:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Changing to redirect to Jagex: I agree with CaptainVindaloo's comment below. Plus, this preserves the history for when they do release it and we need an article on it. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 01:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Pyro. To be frank, this is one of the first times I've heard this. It seems mostly spectulation, and it's non-notable as of yet. ----Jump! Slash! Dash! Ouch! Super Mario SonicBOOM! 17:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Pyrospirit, WP:OR, WP:CRYSTAL, possibly WP:SNOW, nn speculation. OSbornarfcontributionatoration 17:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC) (possibly redirect OSbornarfcontributionatoration 21:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC))
  • Redirect to Jagex, per everyone, without prejudice to retargeting to a subsection in that article or recreation when this is actually announced and hits the media. Assuming the project doesn't go belly-up before it gets off the ground, there will certainly be an article on this sometime. I can see a possibility for merging here, too. CaptainVindaloo t c e 18:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Like someone said before, there is enough evidence that this game will be released. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arain321 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. On a cursory inspection, this does seem to be probable... but until a reliable source confirms it, this article is original research. -Amarkov moo! 01:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. I think it's pretty obvious that Jagex is working on "MechScape" based on the list of domains now registered to Jagex such as MechScape.com, MechScape.net, MechScape.tk, MechScape.org, MechHQ.com, MechScapeCommunity.com, etc. There are a few dozen registered domains. There have also been a few pictures floating around the internet showing concept art and such. To say MechScape is not real in any way doesn't make sense. MooMix1 02:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment. Show me 1 play where it says "Jagex is making a game called MechScape". Show me 1 play where it says "This is concept art of a game called MechScape"...THERE ISNT ANYTHING. Everyone is just using their imagination. ---- Coasttocoast 03:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
    • The point isn't deciding if this thing is real or not. I'm pretty sure it is. But until a reliable source says that it is real, we can't have an article on it. -04:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete or Redirect - Currently only consists of speculation or original research, and consists of no reliable sources at the moment. When it is released, then it should have its own article. SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 03:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Maybe it's not 100% proven, but this article has helped a few of my friends understand what's going on with this "MechScape" deal. I think this article is more about the posibility that JaGex will be comming out with a new MMORPG. Besides, why would we delete it and bring it back later? If we just post that it's not completely proven that JaGex will come out with this MechScape and wait until they do, we should be fine. Burn N Flare 06:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: It doesn't matter whether the article is correct or not, or whether it has information that's useful to a few people. There is no way to avoid the fact that it is still unverifiable and almost entirely original research. This article would be just fine on a Jagex/RuneScape fansite or on somewhere other than an encyclopedia, but it does not belong in Wikipedia until Jagex makes a definite announcement about it. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 15:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment: I agree that this isn't proven, but we can make this article into a "speculation" instead. The information here, even though there's not alot, is helpful, and although it's not 100% proven that there will be a game titled "MechScape" made by JaGex in the future, we can put information that will show that it's possible that there will one. It's sort of like the Chaos Theory, this idea isn't as big, but neither ideas are proven either. Burn N Flare 22:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I say "Delete". Just speculation about a possible game. I have so far never seen a site that unspeculatively said that this "MechScape" will come out. Importantly, Jagex has, to my knowledge, never said anything about MechScape going to be released. Though, Jagex has supposedly said the word(s) "MechScape", and "undisclosed upcoming game [(or something)]". It's like saying, "Oh, I'm going to eat cereal.", and then start talking about a specific brand, but not necessarily about eating it. That may not exactly be a good comparison, but I hope it can be understood. ÇɧĭДfrĪĔпd12 07:10, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom Coasttocoast. The article has no primary source to verify the launch date, and so fails WP:CRYSTAL. --Gavin Collins 11:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete or redirect. I don't doubt that they're working on this game, but for now there isn't anything to write an article on. It is simply a number of facts synthesized into speculation about a future release. Once there is an official release, there would presumably be secondary sources upon which an article could be based. Comrade Tux 06:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Or redirect to the jages page, but put more information about it on the jagex page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arain321 (talk • contribs) 17:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: Didn't you already say "Keep" before? Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 20:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment: Sorry, i didn't see it for some reason, i thought it might have been deleted.
  • Comment: That's right, we must delete or merge this trivial article that's only useful to a few thousand people in order to save electrons. Remember, save those electrons, they're more important than you think —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.139.148.100 (talk) 18:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: The point is not to "save electrons." The reason articles are deleted is because they don't belong in an encyclopedia like Wikipedia. Wikipedia has guidelines for what can and cannot be included, and articles that are entirely based on original research are one of the things that cannot. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 20:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Don't worry about the servers. The Devs do that so we don't have to. CaptainVindaloo t c e 21:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.