Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Max Sohl

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Nothing in reliable sources to show notability. IMDB is not a reliable source. The one link in the article which looks promising turns out to be a dead link. No prejudice to re-creation with better sourcing. Black Kite 18:27, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Max Sohl

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Does not meet WP:PORNBIO criteria; unreferenced; a google search comes up with no reliable third party sources AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 21:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

The article "Max Sohl" DOES meet the WP:PORNBIO criteria. Mr. Sohl is an award winning director. His debut video "Dawson's 20 Load Weekend" received a total of 6 Bareback Video Awards in 2004 including Video of the Year. Mr. Sohl has been credited with discovering international porn star Dawson. A google search for Max Sohl shows that his videos are sold not only in the United States but also around the entire world including the UK, Australia, Germany, China and elsewhere. Mr. Sohl was at the center of a organized protest in 2005 which led to articles appearing in the gay press including The New York Blade [1]. His works have received rave reviews in multiple publications both online and in print including rad video, onguys, adultdvdtalk and many many others. mannet.com went so far as to create an entire Max Sohl page to feature reviews of his videos all in one place. Proposing this article for deletion was the work of an over zealous editor - if anything - as per the Wikipedia:Deletion policy, it should have been proposed that the article be improved.Cainebj (talk) 23:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Note, this user has claimed he works for Max (here), which is a WP:COI, and you can read the full discussion here of the COI and copyrighted image issues. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 23:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, if he is noteworthy because of awards, etc. then it should be added to the article because its current form is not encyclopedic. If you add the awards he has won with WP:RS, then it could be considered notable. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 00:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Nothing on AVN. --Dhartung | Talk 02:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

AVN which sponsors the GayVN Awards has a strict policy that no gay video that depicts barebacking can be nominated for an award. For the 2007 Awards, several videos which were nominated had their nominations withdrawn after it was learned the videos depicted scenes that did not use condoms. [2] Cainebj (talk) 15:52, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

• STRONG KEEP: Sohl on Yahoo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.39.108 (talk) 06:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Um, that wasn't really a reason to "strong keep" the article. A yahoo search just shows porn sites, no WP:RS. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 07:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

The Yahoo Search shows more than porn sites - although we are talking about a porn director here - it also links to several press/media and blog articles on the subject, including The New York Blade, Vidio View, and In Newsweekly who describe themselves as New England's Premier GLBT Media Company. WP:PORNBIO - Media reference criteria. Cainebj (talk) 18:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Instead of inserting a yahoo search, show the links to the actual articles. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 19:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - He has been nominated for awards. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 13:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Which ones that were reported in the mainstream media? If these awards are significant, they should be stated in the article and cited. If I were basing an opinion on the article's contents by themselves, I'd be leaning toward "delete," but as there might be more information/cited material that qualifies Max Sohl under WP:PORNBIO, I am neutral for now in the hopes that someone who wants the article saved inserts that needed information and citations. As it is, the article is in dire need of clean up. B.Wind (talk) 18:03, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as - despite assertions on this AfD - there is no evidence of notability. Fails WP:PORNBIO. SilkTork *^YES! 00:30, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
• comment keep if this has notability as claimed else delete it . but this article seems to be a needed presence in an encyclopedia . so if possible fixing may be requested . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pearll's sun (talk • contribs) date

CommentSo is that a keep or delete? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 12:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

• • comment im neutral as the previous editor . lets leave some one to fix it . Pearll's sun (talk) 12:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.