Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maurice Hawk Elementary School
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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was keep. Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:05, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Maurice Hawk Elementary School
Non-notable public primary school. Delete or Merge into article about West Windsor, New Jersey. DES 01:17, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Verifiable school. Pburka 02:36, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete -- there are tens of thousands of local elementary schools in the world. Only some of them are notable. No indication that this is one of them. --Mysidia 02:48, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. According to the school's own website, it has been declared a "Blue Ribbon School" in the "No Child Left Behind" program. Crypticfirefly 02:53, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Keep verifiable and NPOV schools. DoubleBlue (Talk) 04:18, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, this school is completely non-notable. Wikipedia is not paper, but would you expect to find an article about this school in, say, the Brittanica? This just ain't encyclopedic. Nandesuka 04:21, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Comments only no vote: I think schools and other educational institutions with established notability should surely find a place in wikipedia. --Bhadani 04:30, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
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- Everyone agerees with this, i think. But what constitutes "notability". Is there such a thing as a real school that is not notable? DES 04:55, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Comment Yes, this school exists, it is a real school. It is even a fairly good school. It is also completely non-notable outside the local area. Not even everyone who lives in the school district knows of its existance. It happens that I live near this achool, and I assure you, the only notability it has is strictly local. It is also an Elementary school, with no students over 10 years of age. If we say that this school should pass VfD, we are in effect approving a policy that: Any and every school the actual existance of which can be verified is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. That isn't what our policy says now, at elast not in theory. Is that now our policy in practice? I think it shouldn't be. DES 04:52, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Delete as per DES. To quote from the Blue Ribbon Schools Program article, "[t]he program has recognized more than 3,000 schools since its inception." I highly doubt that 3,000 schools deserve their own articles. I'm sure this is a great school, but I think it would be best suited as a (sub)section of the West Windsor Township, New Jersey article; perhaps as part of the education section. -mysekurity 05:09, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, informative article. How are we supposed to build an NPOV encyclopedia if we can only cover the top schools? Kappa 06:02, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Keep Real place. --malathion talk 06:23, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Keep So what if it's local. If it's important enough for someone to write the article it's notable enough for me. SchmuckyTheCat 06:31, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. I'm dying to know how this one will turn out, the suspense is just killing me. —RaD Man (talk) 07:53, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Delete My own personal dividing line here is that secondary schools are inherently notable but primary schools are not. PatGallacher 10:46, 2005 July 31 (UTC)
- Keep Wikipedia has thousands and thousands of articles about ships. Most ships are less notable than any school, but those articles never get nominated. The passion for nominating school articles is weird, but also futile. CalJW 14:13, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- keep please this is weird and keeping these is what jim wants us to do Yuckfoo 17:31, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, the only claim to notability isn't very notable,as mysekurity points out. -Splash 17:50, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Strong delete primary schools aren't notable. Dunc|☺ 20:44, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Keep no shortage of paper. All schools are notable. Klonimus 22:53, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, there should be a policy that schools are notable. Just like we'll add infinitely many towns, villages, etc. There might be information that someone would care to look up. Wikipedia is not paper. Mmmbeer 23:38, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
- Comment if they are so notable, then editors would express more interest in them and be able to at least provide noteable alumni. I don't consider work to prevent a VfD removing the article as interest in the article. Vegaswikian 06:40, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- It's not easy to find alumni of primary schools. Work to prevent Vfds removing articles is work to defend wikipedia users against editors who don't seem to have their interests at heart. Kappa 17:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- You're right on one point - the lack of alumni lists show that no-one cares. The cabal for unconditional keeps on the other hand is subversion of the vfd process through highly organised voting and intimidation of people with sense. It is therefore against wiki principles. Dunc|☺ 17:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- The principal of this wiki is that material should not be deleted without consensus. Although there is obviously no consensus to delete schools, unfortunately it is necessary to demonstrate that fact to the "people with sense" on a daily basis. Kappa 17:22, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- You're right on one point - the lack of alumni lists show that no-one cares. The cabal for unconditional keeps on the other hand is subversion of the vfd process through highly organised voting and intimidation of people with sense. It is therefore against wiki principles. Dunc|☺ 17:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- It's not easy to find alumni of primary schools. Work to prevent Vfds removing articles is work to defend wikipedia users against editors who don't seem to have their interests at heart. Kappa 17:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- Comment if they are so notable, then editors would express more interest in them and be able to at least provide noteable alumni. I don't consider work to prevent a VfD removing the article as interest in the article. Vegaswikian 06:40, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, as usual. Christopher Parham (talk) 03:32, 2005 August 1 (UTC)
- Earwig. --Carnildo 07:32, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep -- I don't think elementary schools are necessarily notable, but this one seems to have some notable features Salsb 16:39, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- Delete as per Wikipedia policy. Jayjg (talk) 17:07, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- Delete elementary schools or I'll start putting up articles about local grocery stores. Although Wikipedia is not paper, there needs to be a line somewhere. ESkog 17:30, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep Notable school. Klonimus 18:47, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep on keeping all schools. Grace Note 07:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep Inherently notable for educating thousands. Unfocused 16:35, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Useless trivia. Gamaliel 17:10, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep all enduring institutions. --Gene_poole 07:16, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep as per Wikipedia schools arguments.-Poli (talk • contribs) 05:38, 2005 August 4 (UTC)
- Delete Every grade school has some sort of distinction, very few are actually notable. MicahMN | Talk 18:57, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
- Strong Delete, being a school does not make this educational institution notable or worthy of an entry.Gateman1997 07:09, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.
