Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Okine

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was -delete - and the arguments presented by the sole keep were neutralised effectively.Blnguyen | rant-line 02:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Matthew Okine

Non-notable comedian/actor who has appeared in four films. Of those films, three of them are extra parts and the one as the main character has yet to be released and it will most likely be an Austalian-only release. Other standing information may not be able to meet WP:BIO either, since music is freely distributed through Okine's webpage. The "high profile" Raw Comedy finals searched with Okine yeilds no hits on Google.com besides the Wikipedia page and the person's MySpace page. Unique searches for "Matthew Okine" result in 703 hits. -- moe.RON ^{talk | done | doing} 20:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

*Keep I contested the prod on this. He's appeared in 4 films. In 2 as extras (See No Evil and House of Wax), one speaking role (Aquamarine) and one as the main character (Sweet FA). Raw Comedy is a national competition which was shown on national television. He also appears to have toured the country as a comedian and competed in a number of major comedy competitions. Drett 22:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC) Changing vote to Delete Drett 19:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. There has been one reference to "Matthew Okine" in the Australian media referring to a goalkeeper in a school soccer match. Capitalistroadster 01:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 01:41, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Once again Capitalistroadster is turning to the media to base his decision. One reference in the Australian media DOES NOT CONLCUDE Matthew Okine is not of notoriety. You seem to neglect to remember what an encyclopedia is - AN ENCYCLOPEIDA NOT A MEDIA DATABASE. This guy is an actor in high profile films and Raw Comedy is a MAJOR competition. Try searching Raw Comedy and see if it satisfies your urges for a 'media profile'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nelgsta (talk • contribs)

  Please sign your posts, Nelgsta. Capitalistroadster's access to the Australian/NZ media database has been a very useful verifiability tool in WP:AFD when the article itself lacks sufficient verifiable references. I find his contributions very useful, more so than your assertions given here: for example, participation in a notable competition or minor appearance in a film does not automatically make one inherently notable. --Canley 03:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment on database. Using the Factiva database, "Matthew Okine" gets 9 hits - one on an irrelevant soccer play, the rest mainly very brief mentions of this comedian, mainly in minor Queensland papers (and a minor mention in the The Toronto Star, and a short article on him in the South West News, no idea what sort of paper that is). "Matt Okine" gets 19 hits, mainly with brief mentions/gig guides in minor newspapers. He does get quoted in The Courier-Mail one time (5 July 2006), and there is also a once sentence mention in The Courier-Mail. I don't have any conclusions about this. This summary is probably misleading, so beware. I can take a better look at this if you need me to, just ask.--Commander Keane 06:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

The South West News is a suburban weekly from Brisbane. What's the reference in the Toronto Star? If it's any good, I would assert that international press coverage means he's slightly notable as a comic. Otherwise, I guess I'll admit defeat. Drett 20:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

The Toronto Star mention was just a cast listing at the end of a film review, so nothing really. I probably should have said that most of the database hits were just mentioning his result in a couple of comedy competitions, so he is probably more notable for comedy that film.--Commander Keane 06:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete He's appeared in 4 films. Let's see: his role in house of wax is so minor that it is not listed on the IMDb, his one speaking role in Aquamarine is the 15th listed on the credits on IMDb for a D-class movie. His first main role is in a small production whose main article was recently deleted on Wikipedia. I'm not sure why it is so wrong to use media searches to help determine whether or not someone is notable. People arguing for keep seemingly ignore the WP:BIO standards. Even if you feel that this guideline errs by being overly strict you have to agree that this guy falls way, waaaaaaaay below the criteria. Also it is important to point out that the claims in the article about the notoriety of the comedy competitions are a bit dubious. Let's also point out that the creator of the article is probably Michael Skelton who directed the movie Sweet FA (the only "important" role of Matthew Okine). The sole contributions of User:Mickskel were to articles related to this film and the corresponding production company. (You can't see that anymore because these articles were speedied.) Pascal.Tesson 12:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

extra comment His official site pretty much sums up the state of his career. Looks like a dcent guy but franky I think even he would agree he has no place on Wikipedia... Pascal.Tesson 12:47, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete does not meet WP:BIO yet.--Peta 03:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete does not meet WP:BIO for any of the counts, whether standup comedian, actor, or musician. 742Ghits, of which almost all related to the films "See No Evil" and "Aquamarine". Clicking deeper reveals a dearth of information on the subject. So he's not even a blip on the radar. Ohconfucius 04:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

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