Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Ottinger (2nd nomination)

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The result was Delete. - Consensus was that coverage of Matt Ottinger was not independent of Matt Ottinger or his employers and his noted fame has yet to be covered by independent sources. -- Jreferee T/C 09:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Matt Ottinger

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Delete nn local radio game show host, previous afd ended in no consensus but his notability is still not up to WP:BIO and WP:BLP standards - so non-notable that we don't know when or where he was born red flags of notability fo modern biographies. Carlossuarez46 01:57, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep; QuizBusters is a televised game show, not a radio one. He is also notable in the game show world due to his administrator status with The Game Show Forum, his websites, and being a Jeopardy! contestant. Andy Saunders 02:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete; I looked for independent coverage, but found only stuff from his local school and station, which is not independent and hence not sufficient per WP:NOTE. Dicklyon 03:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep If you had hosted a television game show for almost two decades, been nominated for a statewide Emmy award, operated one of the main Internet forums and several leading web sites on game shows, and given Ken Jennings a real run for his money on Jeopardy!, you would easily meet Wikipedia's standards for notability. Third-party sources in addition to Ottinger's TV station (which is a reliable source, anyway) have now been included to support the article's assertions. By the way, the lack of a birth date as a justification for deletion is a new one on me. I guess we better delete the article on Jesus Christ, then, because historians aren't certain about his birth date. Casey Abell 12:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. AfD's aren't usually noted for humor. But I just found this interesting note – with an, er, interesting picture – that calls Matt Ottinger "highly esteemed and legendary." Well, I'd agree with the former, but I doubt that Matt would call himself "legendary" (wink). Casey Abell 12:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete NN local tv personality/webmaster. None of the websites are notable in a mainstream context, and he hosts a public-access show, which fails WP:BIO. Should also note that the two keep voters appear to be very biased on game shows, and seem to want to keep the article for their like of anything game show related, not the merits of how this does not meet notability guidelines. None of the references count as WP:RS, and are just local/minor publications. Dannycali 17:19, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, because of multiple references and efforts to assert notability in article. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 22:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

• Comment I would like to note that the above user seems to be stalking a lot of the discussions I take a part in, and is discussing the opposite viewpoint on purpose, possibly to make me look bad. Second, I do not feel his reasoning in this vote is valid. There are sources, but none of them are WP:RS. They are a bunch of nn/minor websites that may prove a point, but do little to prove notability. Dannycali 02:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:No personal attacks. I participate in a variety of discussion, not all of which happen to include you: [1], [2], etc. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 14:50, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Roi, that was not a personal attack. Dannycali, Roi is not stalking you; stalking is following someone around with the intent of causing annoyance or distress. There's no evidence of that intention. That said, without blaming anyone, I think it would be best if both of you follow step two of dispute resolution: disengagement. Your prior interaction has been tense, to say the least. You'd both be better off to not comment in AFDs in which the other has commented. Please do so.--Chaser - T 18:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment I don't contribute much here any more, and look at these recent AFDs that I have commented on that he has jumped in soon after I have edited: [Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RD Reynolds (2nd nomination)], [Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/London Underground trivia (4th nomination)], [Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexander Graham Bell Public School], and this afd. I'm not fully certain of things, but I am suspicious. Dannycali 20:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear Chaser, just to point something out from the history of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University of Florida Taser incident:

19:22, 19 September 2007 Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles (Talk | contribs) (35,224 bytes) (k) (undo)

19:43, 19 September 2007 Dannycali (Talk | contribs) (38,137 bytes)

Therefore, someone who posted after me in other discussions, and after you made your recommendation above, should curb his suspicions. I will, however, avoid engaging Danny per your suggestion. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 23:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

That complicates matters, but it's a massive AFD. I don't think Dannycali participated by following you.--Chaser - T 16:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

• (ec) Delete Why is this even controversial? His main claim to fame is that he hosts a high school quiz competition that airs Saturday afternoons on a small-town PBS affiliate. The "efforts to assert notability" are not successful as the sources cited in the article are not independent and reliable. ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 02:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
• delete -half because I don't think he's notable, half because I've learnt to recognise the smell of very serious, intelligent and well thought through analysis from some people on the keep side here whose conduct is beyond reproach, and it looks like I'm not the only one. Wikipedia is in good hands as long as some keep posters keep it up.JJJ999 02:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep -Person is notable, and not just for local TELEVISION game shows, (not radio as the author suggested). Is also the owner and adminstrator of one of the largest game show forums, with frequent posters that work on game shows, including Randy West [3], Television game show producer Ron Greenberg [4], and Ken Jennings himself [5], even being one of the people Jennings defeated in an episode of Jeopardy!. He also produces television programming for public schools in the area. Then again, I'm a game show fan, what does my vote count? *rolls eyes* I find it funny, just because people who are game show fans are voting in this, doesn't mean their votes don't count. FamicomJL 20:03, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.