Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Brinkman

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep this topic which lurks somewhere in the outer suburbs of notabilityville. Gwen Gale (talk) 05:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Matt Brinkman

Matt Brinkman (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Delete, living person biography which doesn't seem to meet WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, or anything else that might fit. coccyx bloccyx_(toccyx) 20:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy delete. Tagged as such; no/ambiguous assertions of notability. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 20:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Founding member of Fort Thunder, notable for his comics[1][2], notable for his membership in Mindflayer (band) (which has released on the notable Load Records and includes notable member Brian Chippendale), for his membership in Forcefield (art collective) which performed at the notable 2002 Whitney Biennial. Reviews of Mindflayer on Pitchfork:[3][4][5] Kellen^T 21:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment none of the links provided above are about the subject, Matt Brinkman. coccyx bloccyx_(toccyx) 15:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Well, the first two are. And the last 3 are to establish notability of a band in which he is a member. In any case, I think this applies, from WP:CREATIVE:

      The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, which has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.

    • In particular, as a co-founder or whatever of Fort Thunder, covered here (mentions brinkman), here (mentions brinkman, page 2), here (mentions brinkman), here (mentions brinkman), here (hey look, the nytimes mentioning brinkman and his band forcefield), and here (about the same show, also mentioning brinkman). Kellen^T 18:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
      • I think you're missing the point. The difference here is between trivial and non-trivial mentions. Which one of these news items are actually about Brinkman, not something he contributed to? coccyx bloccyx_(toccyx) 18:30, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
        • I get your point, that yes, none of the news articles are about him specifically (though the two bloggy posting things are). BUT I am asserting that he has "played a major role in co-creating" "a collective body of work" (that of Fort Thunder, which includes both comics and music e.g. forcefield) "which has been the subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." Kellen^T 18:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 11:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

• Keep If he was part of a notable band I say keep due to his contribution to the band and his other creative projects.(Roodhouse1 (talk) 19:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC))

• keep Sources imply notability of his works, per WP:N. Notability of his body of work implies that he is notable, per WP:CREATIVE. AfD hero (talk) 07:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 16:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Weak delete I believe there is not enough notability for this article to exist. I've never heard of this person, and I believe the article doesn't have enough information.--LAAFan 21:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:CREATIVE. The multiple articles that User:Kellen` has linked are not trivial mentions of Brinkman; they establish Brinkman's prominent role in creating artistic work that has been featured at the Whitney Biennial 2002, his role in Fort Thunder and as part of notable bands. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 00:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• comment I think it is important to remember that not every notable artist is Damien Hirst or Andy Warhol. In other words, not every notable artist is a household name. Just because you have not heard of this artist does not mean that others have not. I agree that the Whitney Biennial mention helps to reveal his notability. Do you realize the number of works that are rejected?(Roodhouse1 (talk) 08:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC))

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.