Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mathemanic
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Non consensus about this wholly un-notable little sprite. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Mathemanic
Non-notable comic book character, various attempts to redirect him have been reverted. No reliable sources. Blast Ulna (talk) 23:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Keep While I do not agree with the revert war going on and I don't know what 'no reliable sources' is supposed to mean, I think this character is distinctive enough to warrant an article. He's done his thing well-apart from the rest of Psionex; for example he tried to take on Terrax because of heroic impulses (no pun intended) and got put in the hospital. Plus, he has pretty unique powers. Anyone can punch through a wall, this guy freaks people out by making them percieve cosmic distances. Lots42 (talk) 02:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- WP:Reliable sources. Would the Psionex article be contaminated by holding this information? Blast Ulna (talk) 17:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- The comics are the reliable sources. If page 3 shows the character making Firestar a catatonic mess, then that is what he did. Lots42 (talk) 22:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, the comics are reliable sources, but they cannot establish the article's notability. Notability requires significant coverage from secondary sources; ergo, sources that are indepdendent of the source material. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 15:38, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- The comics are the reliable sources. If page 3 shows the character making Firestar a catatonic mess, then that is what he did. Lots42 (talk) 22:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- WP:Reliable sources. Would the Psionex article be contaminated by holding this information? Blast Ulna (talk) 17:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- Keep While I do not agree with the revert war going on and I don't know what 'no reliable sources' is supposed to mean, I think this character is distinctive enough to warrant an article. He's done his thing well-apart from the rest of Psionex; for example he tried to take on Terrax because of heroic impulses (no pun intended) and got put in the hospital. Plus, he has pretty unique powers. Anyone can punch through a wall, this guy freaks people out by making them percieve cosmic distances. Lots42 (talk) 02:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 15:36, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 15:36, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- Keep per Lots42's comments; at worst merge and redirect back into Psionex. BOZ (talk) 18:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- Keep The article is sourced enough to stand on its own. --Xero (talk) 07:57, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:V and WP:N. The only sources cited are i) another WP article (!!), and ii) marvel.com, which is not independent of the subject. There's nothing relevant in Google Books or News, and as far as I can tell, nothing remotely reliable on plain Google (just forums, etc). Jakew (talk) 11:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- Delete - no non-trivial coverage by reliable verifiable sources independent of the topic that demonstrate notability. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 15:38, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- Keep for meeting or verifiability and notability guidelines and policies and being consistent per the First pillar with a specialized encyclopedia on characters or which there are many published volumes. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 17:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- The trouble with searching for "Marvel encyclopedia" is that there's no way of knowing whether any of the books actually contain information on this specific topic. I just used Amazon's "search inside" facility to try to find information about Mathemanic in some of those. I wasn't able to find anything, and searching for "Mathemanic" unsuccesful. Since you say that the topic is notable and verifiable, I assume that you were able to find some material. Could you cite the books that contain information about the topic of the article? Jakew (talk) 19:22, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- See here, but also consider checking relevant comic magazines that might not yet have online archives. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 19:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for that Google link, but I couldn't see anything that looked like an independent reliable source with significant out-of-universe coverage. Excluding WP itself, most of the results seem to be a) affiliated with Marvel or b) forums. Jakew (talk) 20:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- Marvel is a reliable source. Sincerley, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 20:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- But not independent of the topic, which is what he is noting. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 22:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- It takes more than five days to go through the published sources not available online and that's where we need to be looking. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 15:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
- If you find sources after an article has been deleted, an admin will always be willing to restore it for you. Blast Ulna (talk) 17:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
- If you are therefore suggesting that additional sources can potentially be found, then that's a reason for keeping the article rather than deleting it. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 17:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
- If you find sources after an article has been deleted, an admin will always be willing to restore it for you. Blast Ulna (talk) 17:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
- It takes more than five days to go through the published sources not available online and that's where we need to be looking. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 15:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
- But not independent of the topic, which is what he is noting. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 22:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- Marvel is a reliable source. Sincerley, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 20:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for that Google link, but I couldn't see anything that looked like an independent reliable source with significant out-of-universe coverage. Excluding WP itself, most of the results seem to be a) affiliated with Marvel or b) forums. Jakew (talk) 20:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- See here, but also consider checking relevant comic magazines that might not yet have online archives. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 19:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- The trouble with searching for "Marvel encyclopedia" is that there's no way of knowing whether any of the books actually contain information on this specific topic. I just used Amazon's "search inside" facility to try to find information about Mathemanic in some of those. I wasn't able to find anything, and searching for "Mathemanic" unsuccesful. Since you say that the topic is notable and verifiable, I assume that you were able to find some material. Could you cite the books that contain information about the topic of the article? Jakew (talk) 19:22, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- Merge anything useful to Psionex, non-notable fictional character with no notability outside of their fictional universe. No independent secondary sources, etc. Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC).
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
