Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Masters athletics (track and field)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 21:50, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Masters athletics (track and field)

Both CSD and prod removed by original author, so AFDing. There's so little context here, I was speedying it as nonsense. I really have no idea what this is... seems like a POV essay. (|-- UlTiMuS 00:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• Uh, I'm typing as fast I can! Trust me, I know my stuff. I helped Len Olson write "Masters Track & Field: A History." I'm a career journalist and masters athlete for 10 years. This would be the first mention of masters track on Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TrackCEO (talk • contribs) .

• Then you are admitting that the article consists of nothing more than Original research? (|-- UlTiMuS 00:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Woah, assume good faith, that they simply are stating that they know how to research an article properly. LinaMishima 01:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Masters track field is huge. Many former Olympians and prfessional athletes compete, Willie Gault for one.[1] Even if this is a stub it should be kept. If you have trouble with the POV then edit the article. We don't AfD articles due to POV. David D. (Talk) 17:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Delete — Possible original research and 15 Google hits --Deon555^talk_Review 01:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • comment Note that the systematic bias of the internet results in sporting events, particularly athletics, being under-covered compared to other areas. Hence the value of a google test is deminished. LinaMishima 01:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • a proper google test of "Masters athletics" (with forums and blogs removed to meet WP:RS) gives us 12,900 - about what you'd expect for a non-major sporting event type. Google's news search gives us five results, which is reasonable coverage again (especially given that the news search is not anywhere near as deep as google main, in my experience). The related newsgroups have been talking about this since 1999 [2]. Google scholar, whilst not my normally prefered tool for journal article hunting, suggests an impressive 46 papers!. LinaMishima 01:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep once referenced There's dozens of wonderful references, so once these have been worked in, the article will have a very strong case for staying. See above for the proper webhunt test results LinaMishima 01:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep! Track and Field is in general competed in age and gender classes, staring with young kids (who would be somewhat discouraged, I think you'll agree, if they had to compete against 20-30 year old Open athletes) and commencing again with 40-44, 45-49 and so on. Without this highly developed and organized system, Athletics would be restricted to the elite, all of whom were once kids, so the sport would die out in a matter of years. There are international organizations (in particular the WMA) which govern and certify Masters Track and Field (MTF); every other year there is a World Championship, frequently involving thousands of athletes. So you need to check your sources before you go referring to this as "a POV essay". Ken Stone is probably the most eloquent spokesman for MTF, and is highly respected as a journalist. If you find his input too opinionated or colourful, well, revise it to your taste; I'm sure many others will too -- that's what a wiki is for. But don't insult a large, earnest and respectable community by deleting the topic.JHBrewer 03:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The World Masters Games attracted over 21,000 atheletes [3] to Edmonton, Alberta last year, and will be in Sydney in 2009. The article requires some work, but the topic is clearly notable. Resolute 02:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, real sport with World Championships and a somewhat substantial following. Punkmorten 07:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep! Perhaps a cleanup is in order? Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 10:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, source it and cleanup, seems quite notable. --Terence Ong _{(T | C)} 10:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - the sources need to be cited, but that shouldn't be a problem -- Whpq 13:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep There is no credible reason to delete this. Piccadilly 13:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Useful information as more boomers look for recreational and competitive opportunities. A good sport to consider when practicing on your own or with a group. barrier22154 14:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep -- Petri Krohn 22:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This is a perfectly acceptable entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.116.112.252 (talk • contribs)
• Keep Many notable athletes compete in masters track and field. It is run under the IAAF umbrella so it is definitely a notable area of sport. David D. (Talk) 17:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.