Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marvin (song)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep with consideration to be given to a merge. There was no support for these articles to be deleted. I shall set up a merge discussion so that it can be considered as a post-AfD editorial matter. TerriersFan 17:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marvin (song)

Trivial songs. Discussions are currently in place on WP:MUS as to the criteria for a song's notability - neither this, nor any of the other Marvin songs meets even the most generous of the proposed criteria [1]. Delete. SilkTork 08:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages:

Marvin I Love You (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Marvin's lullaby (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Metal Man (Marvin song) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Reasons To Be Miserable (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

SilkTork 09:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Merge all. Kappa 09:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge/redirect to the band who performed it. If (as is often the case) there's not enough information on a song to write a viable non-stub article, put the information in a more central place instead, kind of like WP:FICT suggests we do for minor characters. >Radiant< 11:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge them all into one place, though I'm not sure where. The songs are notable enough for a brief mention somewhere. I'll raise the matter with WP:HHGTTG. --RFBailey 13:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I would also favour a Merge and a redirect if that is possible. Perhaps a section within the Marvin the Paranoid Android article. SilkTork 15:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep all the articles. They are well verified, and the only argument for deletion is notability. Well, I run a website with these songs on it and have lost count of the number of e-mails received thanking me for making them available. They are a niche interest, but within that niche there is no argument about notability. They are notable++. I guess the person proposing the deletion of the category and all its members is not an Inclusionist. Wikipedia does not have the same space limitations as a paper encyclopedia, so there is no need to restrict content in the same way that a Britannica must. It therefore can and should cater to niche interests. Wikipedia is the only encyclopedia that can do this; it is one of Wikipedia's great strengths. I created most of the articles. HairyWombat 17:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Popularity is not the same as notability. Otto4711 16:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
  • But if something is popular then users will want to look it up. This suggests that all things popular are also notable. (However, not all things notable are popular, so your statement is correct.) HairyWombat 05:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
  • All things popular are not notable, because there are guidelines as to what constitutes notability and popularity is explicitly noted as not conferring notability. A merge and redirect of these articles will allow anyone searching for them to still find them, as the information will still be in the Marvin article. Otto4711 02:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Keep (statement of interest: I created the article) - but even so it satisfies WP:MUS for songs on point 2 ("has been ranked on a national or significant music chart), as stated in the article, it enteredthe British charts, and probably point 3 ("has been recognized...as being significant to a noteworthy group's repertoire."), if we stretch the case so that the noteworthy people are Douglas Adams, who wrote it, and Stephen Moore, who sang it - for each it was their biggest success in music. As the new criteria for inclusion are only proposed (and where is this discussion anyway?), I think the nomination is premature - let's see what the outcome of the debate is, and re-nominate then if necessary. Totnesmartin 18:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Merge all to Marvin the Paranoid Android - the only one that comes close to being notable on the basis of the proposed guidelines for songs (which I realize have not been canonized just yet, but still) is Marvin (song) with an alleged "British charts" placement of 59. I admit I know little of how the British chart their music but if I'm reading this site correctly it's a Top 40 chart so 59th place doesn't really cut it IMHO. A section for the songs in the article for the character is sufficient in the absence of reliable sources attesting to the notability of the individual songs. Otto4711 18:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment The British chart is a Top 75. True Radio One's Top 40 (the same published chart, but just the top 40 songs in it) is an institution, but Guinness Hit Singles book (also an institution)uses the entire top 75 to compile its information. The top 75 is also posted up in various record shops. Totnesmartin 20:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • OK so this one song made it 14 spots up the chart. The remaining songs, which didn't chart at all, have no claim to notability. I still feel like the material is better served by being in a single article rather than fragmented. Otto4711 21:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I guess I'm not seeing then why a merge of the material to the character's article, which preserves the information in a concise format, is objectionable. Otto4711 12:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Keep The Mole: I consider these songs as part of the BBC's masterpiece, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy on DVD and audio CD. Be foolish to delete them, "...but I can tell you weren't really interested!". If anything, I agree to move them here: Marvin the Paranoid Android.

Marvin, I love you! :)

  • Merge all per Otto4711. Thin Arthur 09:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Keep or Merge - The information on this page is far more important to me (and many other scifi fans) than, say, Winston Chruchills birthday or other such utter-trivia. Fictional or otherwise, Marvin The Paranoid Android (ne Stephen Moore) is an institution and his real-world achievements deserve publicly documented recognition. Whether here or at Marvin the Paranoid Android CS BlueChip 21:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Merge all to Marvin, the Paranoid Android, these songs were not hits nor otherwise well-known, they are only notable because they are about Marvin. 6SJ7 02:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.