Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martina Šindlerová

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sango123 20:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Martina Šindlerová

Fails WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC I think this person hasn't importance in any country Yoda1893 00:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep - American Idol top 10 finishers are apparently notable, so the same could well go for a second-place finisher in the Slovak version. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 01:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep Has a record release from a major label, but I reject the conclusion that top 10 finishers on American Idol (and its clones) automatically confers notability. Granted, most of them have received considerable media attention and/or record deals, but being on a game show alone does not confer notability in any way. Irongargoyle 03:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

comment - I'm not going to press the issue, but you could argue that a top ten finish in something like this passes the WP:BAND criterion of Has won or placed in a major music competition. That said, I know someone's bound to say that placing 10th isn't really "placing" in the proper sense of the word, but second in a nationwide comp could well be. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 07:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment. That is a good point. I missed that WP:BAND criterion and so it probably should apply to 2nd and 3rd (although in my own anti-Idol POV I disagree with that criterion for WP:BAND in the first place), and I agree withyou that 10th is dubious at best. Irongargoyle 13:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment, how is it possible that two guys seem to have made fifth place in that Kazakh thing? Am I missing something, or is someone cooking the books to get them all in Wikipedia?--Pan Gerwazy 15:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep passes WP:MUSIC in multiple ways. WilyD 13:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep passes. I would say: 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Like at the Olympics. --Pan Gerwazy 15:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, every olympic athlete passes WP:BIO WilyD 17:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• Er... Pop Idol is not even remotely like the Olympics. Ohconfucius 02:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

• Never said it was - but it is a major music competition, and that's even for WP:MUSIC (if you win or place. Don't know about showing) WilyD 13:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per all aboveJcuk 18:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - passes WP:MUSIC. Readro 20:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete For me, to say that she passes WP:MUSIC in multiple ways is a gross overstatement. I don't consider Pop Idol to be a major music competition, though it may come close, and arguably she was placed. I'd say she on the cusp of notability, so I wouldn't press too hard for a deletion but having been signed by Sony, and has just released her debut album, she will soon have name recognition per WP:BIO (through marketing and promotion) in this small country and possibly quite a few neighbouging ones too. Ohconfucius 02:09, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
  • You can consider Pop idol an unimportant music competition, just as you can consider Paris an unimportant city. In both cases, though, any remotely disinterested point of view would realise that's simply false. Things like notability and importance really aren't subjective, as talked about at WP:N for instance. WilyD 04:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per all above Jdclevenger 04:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per all of the above. Suggest a speedy keep if the nominator will voluntarily withdraw. RFerreira 20:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. She passes WP:MUSIC, plenty of Google hits.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:40, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.