Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin Middle School
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Kurykh 01:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Martin Middle School
Previously prodded and deleted twice over. No assertion of notability. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 17:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. —Camaron1 | Chris (talk) 17:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, no assertation of notability. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Redirect to district to discourage re-creation as a stub and encourage a richer district article. Non-notable, no assertion of notability, etc. CRGreathouse (t | c) 21:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Keep falls under Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools and, as a school, is notable enough. It is linked from WCPSS and is of similar format to Durant Road Middle School which falls in the exact same category. Look at the earlier revisions; it was changed from a CSD G1 worthy article to a stub to what it is now. The deletions were not a result of non-notibility. Main Author (Chasecarter (talk) 22:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC))
- Not every school is notable. Is there a reason why this one is special? Has it received significant coverage from secondary and tertiary sources? If you think that every school mentioned in Wake County Public School System deserves an article, you may be in for a rude awakening. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 22:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- This one has special programs including Magnet School and is part of the Talented and Gifted program which according to the WCPSS directory is one of only two school of the same caliber. I'm new to wikipedia, but I'm sure alot of people in Raleigh would find useful and notable information in this article. Stub it if you want, but why delete it when people could find use in it?(Chasecarter (talk) 22:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC))
- These are common programs. "Talented and Gifted", in particular, is more of a meaningless catchphrase used in the WCPSS directory to promote the school. People in Raleigh may indeed find useful information in this stub and even more useful information in the WCPSS directory and other official literature. However Wikipedia is not a directory of local schools, it is not meant to be a comprehensive guide to every school system in every county in every state in every country. Such goals are untenable and should be avoided. As a general interest encyclopedia, Wikipedia includes articles on some schools that meet notability guidelines, namely articles which include mentions of important historic events, a track record of accomplished alumni, or numerous national recognitions. There is nothing about Martin Middle that makes it stand out. The sources used don't meet editorial standards for substantial coverage, they currently include district published information and a listing in a vast online directory. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 23:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- You're right, this article does not meet the un-offical policy listed below. I guess I thought of Wikipedia as a compendium of all verifiable knowledge, notable to many or just a few. I guess all the people this school has ever graduated, alumni, teachers, district and all the people looking for a middle school for their kids in Raleigh. These people who use wikipedia as their primary source for retreiving information will have to go to another website and will just have to accept that because this is an irrelevant educational institution it does not deserve an article like Ascospora ruborum does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chasecarter (talk • contribs) 23:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Look at it this way: if you were one of those people, would you go to the library and crack open a copy of Britannica to find out which local school your kid should attend? Most people use a search engine like google to find info online, Wikipedia results pop up first because the wiki structure lends itself to maximizing pagerank. Wikipedia shouldn't strive to be a primary source of information in fields not covered by general knowledge reference works. Specialized sources like http://www.greatschools.net/ will always be better tools for parents, and with good reason. Frankly, I doubt anyone in Raleigh would really care whether the neighborhood middle school has an article on an online encyclopedia. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 01:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
- Will websites like http://www.greatschools.net/ be better at describing the schools. Well, at least right now they are. You said people use pages like http:/www.google.com/ to find this kind of information. Possibly. And do the people in Raleigh really care if the school is on wikipedia? Probobly not. The information is not all that hard to get, but having it on wikipedia allows simplicity and ease of access to the information rather than spread out between three websites. And wikipedia being very well know and used widley as a source for all kinds of information, I can easily see it as being the first place some people look for information like this. Wikipedia is not any ordinary encyclopedia like Britannica. While I don't really think this article is that important; it is just the idea that an educational institution doesn't deserve a spot on wikipedia if an editor bothers to make it and source it. Alot of other articles are far less notable. This article has potential for expansion from someone who could contribute far more to this than I ever could.Chasecarter (talk) 01:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
- Look at it this way: if you were one of those people, would you go to the library and crack open a copy of Britannica to find out which local school your kid should attend? Most people use a search engine like google to find info online, Wikipedia results pop up first because the wiki structure lends itself to maximizing pagerank. Wikipedia shouldn't strive to be a primary source of information in fields not covered by general knowledge reference works. Specialized sources like http://www.greatschools.net/ will always be better tools for parents, and with good reason. Frankly, I doubt anyone in Raleigh would really care whether the neighborhood middle school has an article on an online encyclopedia. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 01:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
- You're right, this article does not meet the un-offical policy listed below. I guess I thought of Wikipedia as a compendium of all verifiable knowledge, notable to many or just a few. I guess all the people this school has ever graduated, alumni, teachers, district and all the people looking for a middle school for their kids in Raleigh. These people who use wikipedia as their primary source for retreiving information will have to go to another website and will just have to accept that because this is an irrelevant educational institution it does not deserve an article like Ascospora ruborum does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chasecarter (talk • contribs) 23:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- These are common programs. "Talented and Gifted", in particular, is more of a meaningless catchphrase used in the WCPSS directory to promote the school. People in Raleigh may indeed find useful information in this stub and even more useful information in the WCPSS directory and other official literature. However Wikipedia is not a directory of local schools, it is not meant to be a comprehensive guide to every school system in every county in every state in every country. Such goals are untenable and should be avoided. As a general interest encyclopedia, Wikipedia includes articles on some schools that meet notability guidelines, namely articles which include mentions of important historic events, a track record of accomplished alumni, or numerous national recognitions. There is nothing about Martin Middle that makes it stand out. The sources used don't meet editorial standards for substantial coverage, they currently include district published information and a listing in a vast online directory. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 23:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- This one has special programs including Magnet School and is part of the Talented and Gifted program which according to the WCPSS directory is one of only two school of the same caliber. I'm new to wikipedia, but I'm sure alot of people in Raleigh would find useful and notable information in this article. Stub it if you want, but why delete it when people could find use in it?(Chasecarter (talk) 22:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC))
- Not every school is notable. Is there a reason why this one is special? Has it received significant coverage from secondary and tertiary sources? If you think that every school mentioned in Wake County Public School System deserves an article, you may be in for a rude awakening. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 22:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Not notable, this school isn't special. See Wikipedia:Notability (schools)#Primary education. Malinaccier (talk) 22:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete No substantial notability. If someone is able to write an article with references showing notability, then they can certainly do so, but they should read WP:N and WP:V beforehand. DGG (talk) 08:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete or Redirect. Nothing notable in the article. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
