Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin Flood

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 14:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Martin Flood

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Delete - a previous round of AFDs tended to establish that WWTBAM contestants are not notable for having won a million dollars unless they are the first of a particular series to do so. Additionally, the obsessive level of detail of his appearance brings this very close to if not over the line of point seven of WP:NOT#IINFO. Otto4711 00:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Keep - Flood's win was significant in the Australian series' history. Channel 9 slur campaign makes Flood's win notable. The sequence of questions is of interest in the context of quiz shows with major prizes. Point seven of WP:NOT#IINFO refers to works of fiction and is irrelevant. Grimhim 01:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Non-fiction items can certainly have plot summaries written about them, and as such are subject to the same policies as any other plot summary. Otto4711 02:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and clean up. Apart from being on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, he was also the star of another quiz show called the Master on Channel 7. [1]

The stuff about the questions that he answered can go. Capitalistroadster 02:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 02:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Has been referenced and cleaned-up. Recurring dreams 03:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as notable enough with the references already in place. Ford MF 04:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Tendencies of other AfD don't really establish anything. Even if you listed all million dollar winners in this series how many would there be? A tiny number compared to the number of people who participate. He is particularly notable because of the documented public controversy over allegations of cheating remeniscent of quiz show cheat Charles Ingram. No detail needs to be removed from this article. It is well formed, and the argument in the nomination as to "point seven" of WP:NOT#IINFO does not apply here. Non-fiction doesn't have a plots or plot summaries, only facts and summaries thereof. Aspenocean 02:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
    • I don't like the idea of precedents - if he's notable on his own merits and the article meets basic Wikipedia criteria, the article stays. Orderinchaos 03:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Surely a non-notable game show contestant. He appeared on the show and he won; end of story. All content in this article would be better placed in Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? or The Master (Australian quiz show). What next, a controversial contestant on Bert's Family Feud? -- Mattinbgn/ talk 07:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment For what it is worth, this article - Rob "Coach" Fulton - was for reasons that escape me kept per this discussion - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rob "Coach" Fulton. Its a quiz show, not a Nobel prize! -- Mattinbgn/ talk 07:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, as much as I think being the victim of one of Australia's "current affairs" programmes isn't something particularly unusual, I think that that added to the fact he was the star of "The Master" (not a contestant, but the star), is good enough. Lankiveil 09:25, 3 June 2007 (UTC).
  • Keep, although I think all the references are really about the shows he was on at the time, rather than being about Flood.Garrie 21:25, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep If it were just the WWTBAM win, I'd tend towards deletion, but as the star of The Master? That makes him certainly notable enough. --Canley 01:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Per ors. I have to go with the crowd on this one, two significant involvments with two shows, well documented, supported by WP:RS, and it meets WP:BLP. I can see no valid justification for this article being deleted. Thewinchester (talk) 02:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Appears notable per WP:BIO re The Master. Orderinchaos 03:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep; Australia has only two winners according to Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?; I see no reason why we should be deleting well sourced material about a contestant who set about winning the show. He has been interviewed on TV many times since due to his efforts. John Vandenberg 23:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy KeepPer Thy Master Savin Me 05:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Why is winning one million dollars on a game show any more notable than winning a lottery? -- Mattinbgn/ talk 06:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
    The difference is how. I cant speak for other countries, but in Australia it is very rare for someone to be able to win this game due to its difficulty. It requires skill to even reach the last few questions, and IMO winning can be roughly compared to winning a national championship of some sort (cant quite think of the correct "sport"; something along the lines of Chess or Go). John Vandenberg 08:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep: notable contestant in the show, only the second millionaire in Australia, plus another notable role in The Master. RaNdOm26 10:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.