Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin Enda Marren

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus (defaulting to keep). --Celestianpower ^háblame 14:39, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Martin Enda Marren

An anonymous user has posted at Wikipedia:Help desk claiming to be the creator of this and several other articles and that these articles are hoaxes that should now be deleted. [1]. Unfortunately, the person asking for deletion is at a different IP address than the original creator, and the articles have been edited by other people. I believe most of these articles are probably speediable under G1 - hoax because not enough factual context is provided to allow anyone turn the article into something real. However, "Enda Marren" has survived VfD and "Enda Marren" + "Dublin" gets one Google hit, therefore, I will list this one for AfD. Johntex\^talk 00:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete as nominator. Several of the other articles are more clearly hoaxes. This one may not be, so I listed here. However, even if this article is about the person found by Google, I see nothing to show that the person is notable enough for inclusion, so I would vote to delte under A7 for lack of notability. Johntex\^talk 01:06, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep He certainly exists and is active in Irish politics. Since he survived a recent Afd I don't feel he should be re-submit right now [2] Dlyons493 Talk 01:14, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Comment- the AfD had only 2 votes. Therefore, I don't think the prior AfD should cary much weight Johntex\^talk 01:27, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Is "Enda Marren" the same person as "Martin Enda Marren"? I can't find any source for MEM being his name.--Isotope23 03:11, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, stubbify. -- NSLE _{(Communicate!)} ^<Contribs> 01:24, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep what can be verified. Trollderella 01:31, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. "Enda Marren" is verifiable [3], but "Martin Enda Marren" is not. Can someone source that this person's name is indeed "Martin Enda Marren"? I would change my vote if this person is indeed named Martin, but as it stands I recommend the text of this article be moved to Enda Marren (dropping the Martin of course) which currently is a redirect here and delete the version under this name. as far as I can tell, this person does not exist and the article text actually refers to Enda Marren.--Isotope23 03:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment Short of 'phoning Fine Gael I can't see if Martin Enda Marren exists and/or is the same as Enda Marren. The latter does exist and I suggest I expand that entry slightly (see eg info from his old school in the link). That names his practice as Enda E Marren which argues a little against Martin Enda Marren as being his full name, but it's not conclusive (could be his father or something). Then Martin Enda Marren can be put to rest. If anyone wants to search add Fine Gael which is his political party to the search string! [4] Dlyons493 Talk 05:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment Martin Enda Marren was the name used in the first sentence of the article by the anonymous poster who created the article. That is why I moved the page to that name and made the redirect. The person who claimed it was a hoax mentioned several other articles [[5] that have checked out as hoaxes, such as the claim that the Marren surname is tied to the "Earl of Kensington", which turns out not to exist. Johntex\^talk 16:03, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• delete Martin Enda Marren; keep Enda Marren. All sources seem to indicate that the name is only the latter. Martin may have been added by a misreading of lists in which he follows or precedes Senator Martin Mansergh as an Irish presidential appointment, and may well be a hoax. I also seem to not find support for his being a barrister, but rather a solicitor. jnothman ^talk 08:23, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
• Move to Enda Marren, and cleanup/expand. - Mike Rosoft 12:35, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Since a much better article has been created at Enda Marren, delete (and possibly redirect). - Mike Rosoft 16:40, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Martin Enda Marren and Keep Enda Marren. I've now added what's verifiable into the latter. Dlyons493 Talk 12:42, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Easy solution to possible hoax or likely non-notable real person Bwithh 03:06, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.