Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Redshaw

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:55, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mark Redshaw

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This article is extremely non-notable. There is no evidence that the player has ever made a senior appearance for any notable clubs and the article is also very poorly written, having had a total of three editors in its entire history. PeeJay 00:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Canley 04:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - A Google search has come up with numerous hits for this player, but they don't support the article content. He was on Wrexham's books as a youth player and played in the FA Youth Cup. See match report. Neither Soccerbase nor www.allfootballers.com show that he made any first team appearances for Wrexham, nor is he listed in the squad for either of the games against Blackpool in 2001-02. It seems that he did also join Manchester City as a trainee. Other than that it seems that the article comes from the realm of Fantasy Football. After Manchester City, he played for clubs such as Radcliffe Borough[1] and Caernarfon Town[2][3]. Curiously, these achievements don't warrant a mention in the article! The supposed connections with Manchester United, Chelsea & LA Galaxy appear to be nonsense. If someone can come up with firm citations, then I'll accept that I've unfairly maligned the article's editors. Daemonic Kangaroo 06:52, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that one of the editors of the article is Mark Redshaw himself, or someone who knows him, which would explain the outlandish rumours. Basically, the subject of the article isn't notable in the slightest and so it should be deleted ASAP. - PeeJay 16:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

• Comment This Lancashire Evening Telegraph article calls Redshaw a "former Manchester United youngster". Can find no reference to LA Galaxy, just a blog which mentions he did a week-long trial with FC Dallas.[4]. --Canley 08:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - whilst I agree that the article is very poorly written, neither that nor the number of editors is grounds for deletion. Daemonic Kangaroo 06:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

It is when it is believed that one of the editors is the subject of the article ;-) - PeeJay 16:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

this artical should not be deleted because Mark Redshaw played for Manchester United it states this in Phil Bardsley's wikipedia page and also in the Manchester United Offical year books. He also played for Radcliffe Borough and Caernarfon Town on loan from Manchester City where he was also a professional player. He also played for US Triestina a number of times in the first team in Italy. It also states in Billy Mcnicols book about Mark Redshaw signing for LA Galaxy,(saying how skilful he was) and he was assitant manager of LA Galaxy at the time but I dont no how long he was there of if he played any games. It also said on chelsea's website that Mark Redshaw was having a trial with the club but I dont no how long he was there for. He was also on a professional contract at Wrexham, I can see he played in the FA Youth cup and also the Welsh cup. Soccerbase is also always wrong about players so u carnt depend on that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.102.126.95 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 24 June 2007

Reply If that is meant to be counted as a vote to keep then please see above how to vote by putting Keep in bold at the start of your post. And if you have reliable sources to prove his notability then add them rather than talking in very general terms about books and so on. However, it should be noted that notability is asserted by him having played in a fully professional league and not having a trial at Chelsea for instance. Thus far though there is no evidence that he has done so. ♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 19:05, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Delete Notability has not been asserted despite all the efforts of the users above. ♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 19:05, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Reply Is the Italian league not a professional league then, Redshaw played over 20 league games for US Triestina of the seria B. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.102.126.95 (talk • contribs) 23:15, 24 June 2007

Where's the proof? You can't just say things like that without some hard evidence! - PeeJay 22:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Reply Hard evidence where is your evidence peejay who are you anyway? He has played in Italy the proof is in the games, he played in over 20 matches, I dont no how many games at LA Galaxy he played in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.102.126.95 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 24 June 2007

Where is my evidence for what? Look, I've had a look through LA Galaxy's records and there's no record of a "Mark Redshaw" ever having played for them. I couldn't find anything for Triestina either, so I find it very doubtful that any of this, apart from the Man Utd and Wrexham stuff is true. The sooner this article is deleted the better. - PeeJay 00:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Reply what have you looked through on LA Galaxy and Triestina? If you want the artical deleted so badly then just keep being busy because you are one busy person. bye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.102.126.95 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 25 June 2007

I have looked through LA Galaxy's squad list for the last few seasons and there was no Mark Redshaw on the list. If you can explain to me how this article is notable by Wikipedia's standards, then obviously it will be kept. Until then, I see no other fate for this article than its deletion. - PeeJay 01:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Reply 81.102.126.95, you are taking this way too personally as it really is very simple, and you could easily have sorted this out by providing an online verifiable source that confirms he played for US Triestina, rather than having a go at other editors for trying to stick to wikipedia policy. However, I should also point out that whilst you have stated here that he played 20 times for Triestina, on the article you have tried adding that he played 7 times for them. In addition, will you please sign your messages. It is very easy to do just type four tildes (~) at the end of your post. ♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 01:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

In his defence, what he was adding to the article was that Redshaw allegedly scored seven goals for Triestina in his supposed time there. - PeeJay 02:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

My apologies, my mistake, though I have also tried to help the user, as have you, seemingly to no avail so far.♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 13:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Reply sorry peejay didnt mean to be nasty, peace out,'emma, 007 G agent'

• Delete per nom. No proof of pro notability.  slυмgυм [ ←→ ] 18:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

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