Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Philo

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was even ignoring those possible sock/meat puppets, this is a keep. Johnleemk | Talk 13:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mark Philo

Delete. Post mortem article of a life and death both seemingly unremarkable. Newsmare 18:09, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Looks like this is a keeper then - which is strange as he wasn't important enough to warrant an article when he was alive. Would this have happened if he was an unremarkable scientist who, although he'd graduated and had recently been accepted into a small, unaccomplished team of researchers, died before achieving anything in his field? I doubt it. If he'd written an article on himself while he was alive it would have been vanity, and if it'd have been created after his death because he'd spent a few weeks in a lab and then crashed his car people would have scoffed. If a sportsman does it though, it's fucking legendary - put it down in the annals of time lest we forget that which we didn't think enough of to record at the time. What an absolute crock of shit... still, thanks for voting. Newsmare 21:40, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. I always hate deleting the ones where poor souls have died, but this just isn't notable enough for WP.--Esprit15d 18:28, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep per precedent for professional footballers. Punkmorten 19:36, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Why delete something from Wikipedia because it's "unremarkable" or "not notable enough"? There are many articles on professional footballers on the site and it's no worse off because of it. Surely it's good to have as many articles as possible, so long as the articles are factual, which this is. I don't think that there are valid grounds for this article to be deleted. Christophee 20:10, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

So we should basically ignore and get rid of WP:BIO? Aecis ^{Mr. Mojo risin'} 23:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep per Christophee who speaks the truth. -- JJay 21:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
• This person was employed as a professional footballer by a club who compete in the 4th tier league in England, Wycombe Wanderers. He played 17 matches with the first team, and evidently was contracted to the club at the time of his death. Although not a member of the first team/current squad at the time of his death, it was noted by national media [1], and local media [2] (January 17th issue). Keep. Sliggy 22:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Professional sportsperson Jcuk 23:27, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: If all professional footballers at this level are considered notable enough for that reason to warrant an article, then by all means keep. But if not, the article should not be kept simply because he died in a tragic manner. MCB 00:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment I agree that this is a marginal case, but WP:BIO implies (my emphasis, because I am unsure) that professional sports people who have played at first team level are notable. This man's club is definitely at a professional level and he played for the first team. However, I also agree that the manner and fact of his death (though, of course, regrettable) is not apposite. Sliggy 00:56, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, all footballers of his level should have an article. Jdcooper 02:17, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete - despite being a professional, he only played 17 Football League Two matches, which (despite the name) is the fourth level of English football (68th-92nd place); I don't think that really is enough for notability. Qwghlm 14:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable enough bio for me. Youngamerican 14:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Qwghlm. Stifle 15:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep a proffesional footballer and once a bright talent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.120.246 (talk • contribs) 17:41, January 19, 2006
• Keep If we delete this, we'd have to open it up to others who have articles created for them who died tragically.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattyt02 (talk • contribs) 20:01, January 19, 2006
• Keep Please don't delete this article, the poor footballer deserves some respect for making it through the professional ranks. I can't begin to imagine how great an achievement that is, let's show some respect for a true professional.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.21.39 (talk • contribs) 20:12, January 19, 2006
• Keep per Christophee -- User:Ade1982 10:48, 20 January 2006 (GMT)
• Keep per Christophee, there's a lot of other similar articles like this on footballers from the same level. Mark272 14:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Subject meets WP:BIO. Aecis ^{Mr. Mojo risin'} 16:54, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.