Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marco Zanetti

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The result was keep. John254 02:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Marco Zanetti

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Only achievement seems to have been winning a "world" championship worth just €4800 to the world champion. Just doesn't feel notable enough, although I'm open to persuasion otherwise. Article could perhaps be incorporated into a wider article about the sport? FlagSteward (talk) 01:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Strong keep: The Olympic Games do not provide cash prizes, at all. The fact that a world championship doesn't have what one particular editor thinks is a large enough cash prize (by what objective criteria?) is of no relevance to anything. World Championships in three-cushion billiards have been held for over a century, and are certainly notable sporting events; the coverage of carom billiards championships in the New York Times archives is hundreds of articles, and that's not even getting into the billiard industry press (Billiards Digest, Pool & Billiard Magazine, etc.). Being a World Champion in a notable event in a notable game is plenty of notabilty. The stub needs a lot of work and was clearly written by a non-native English speaker (presumably Italian, given the article subject), but WP:AFD is not Wikipedia:Articles for improvement; a {{Cleanup}} or {{Copyedit}} tag would have been much more appropriate than an AfD. I have no idea why nominator put "world" in "scare quotes" like that, as if the article were lying about the international nature of the Union Mondiale de Billard and its UMB World Three-cushion Championship, which I have a strong feeling that the nominator did not even bother looking at before taking this stub to AfD simply because it is a stub and perhaps the nominator doesn't care about the topic or doesn't know enough about it. Lastly, why on earth would a bio article about a world champion, one among many hundreds of other cue sports pro player bio articles, from stubs to WP:GAs, be merged into a general article on the game? I cannot think of any other topic in Wikipedia in which this would be done, and if the nominator had looked at Three-cushion billiards (and related articles), it should be clear that there is no place in that article (or any related one) into which it would be appropriate to merge random player bios, not to mention that doing so would result in an game article of enormous length which, per WP:SUMMARY would necessarily be broken back out into individual bio articles, leaving us right where we started. I'm tempted to call this a speedy keep but that would imply that this is a bad faith nomination rather than just a poor choice of AfD target, and I don't see any evidence of the former. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 02:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep per above essay. Athlete who's competed (and won) at the highest level of his sport. Pburka (talk) 03:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. As the main author of the article, I wrote as much context as I could on the basis of research. It may not be much for others but I promise it would expand overtime. FoxLad (talk) 04:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. In the three cushion world—the entire sport wordwide—there are about 8 players that were long considered the best in the world, Ceulemans, Blomdahl, Caudron, Sayginer, Lee, Jaspers, maybe Jaime Bedoya, and Zanetti. As SMcCandlish details, the nominator is not familiar with what it means to even place in the UMB World Three-cushion Championship. That is the superbowl of three cushion, but even moreso because it the superbowl internationally, rather than just in one country. This article is very stubby and can be better sourced and expanded. Among three cushion players in Europe, Zanetti is a household name. The real problem in this area is how hard it is to find English language sources. This is a result of how little known the sport is in the U.S.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment. I have added his world ranking to the article as of 2007 with a source: 7th on the planet.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment. There used to be a photo of this player which I added some months ago. Too bad it got removed all because it was considered replaceable. I don't it is since it's difficult to obtain pictures of this player due to the obscurity of the sport. I am merely an internet user, not a photographer.

• Keep - the fact that the purse for his championship wasn't especially large is hardly a valid reason for a lack of notability. He clearly is notable. matt91486 (talk) 04:51, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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