Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maravilla (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Adding Shoesss' references might help avoid another AfD.--Kubigula (talk) 23:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Maravilla

Maravilla (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

There are apparently no google references (news or web) to this gang. Now, normally Google hits aren't alone enough reason to nom something for AfD. But none at all, for a gang that supposedly has been around for decades? So, delete as no evidence of its actual existence in reality. Avruchtalk 22:19, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Whoops, did not realize it had been nominated twice before. Looking at those discussions, it appears that mentions of "Maravilla" in the books cited by Qworty refer to the neighborhood in LA generally, and small gangs that operate in that neighborhood. I would still say that these collection gangs fail to satisfy the notability guidelines, and that this page (despite having been recreated from deletion) is still unreferenced. If it fails AfD, I'd support moving it to Maravilla (Los Angeles) with the gangs as a subset. Avruchtalk 22:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletions. —User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BLACKKITE 11:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep – enough coverage to establish notability as shown here [1] Shoessss |  Chat  13:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

A lot of the search results there refer to different gangs (Juares, Lopez, Arizona Eastside) that aren't connected - unlike different groups of Bloods or Crips or MS13, these are completely separate gangs that have taken the name of an LA neighborhood where they usually live. Avruchtalk 17:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

• Comment – To be honest, that is how I read the article as a loose, but not totally disenfranchised, group of gangs. I also found 3 specific news articles from very reliable and verifiable papers that also seem to supstaintate the same as show here:

[2] San Jose News, [3] LA Times, [4] Herald. Shoessss |  Chat  19:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep per Shoesss strong sources. Master of Puppets ^{Call me MoP!} 23:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, but add in the cites. Bearian (talk) 17:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.