Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marapets

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, after discounting a few of the !votes from non-established Wikipedians. Deathphoenix ʕ 17:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marapets

I know this page has a reasonable length history. But it seems to me to be simple advertising, it certainly contains some non NPOV components. I wonder whether it satisfys WP:WEB? I dont think in it's present form it does and unless notability can be asserted it should probably be deleted. MidgleyDJ 07:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment List of Marapets should be included in the nomination; its existence depends on that of Marapets. ColourBurst 08:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - 88500 ghits, nothing in the first twenty that makes it notable. MER-C 12:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I came across this a few days ago, and considered nominating it to AfD. In the end I decided not to because of its lengthy history and Ghits... but just like you I have strong doubts about its notability. Alexa ranking of 19,052.--Húsönd 14:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment With over 880,000 members, I don't think you can say the site lacks notability. Powerpets and Zetapets, other popular virtual pet sites, have fewer members yet no one has said anything about their articles. Kleptomaniac Can Opener 21:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment The existence of other articles that should be deleted should not affect the notability of this one. Sometimes things slip through the cracks; thank you for bringing these articles to our attention, because their notability seems suspect as well. However, WP:WEB has no membership count in its criteria; it does, however, suggest third-party reliable sources, such as magazine and newspaper articles. ColourBurst 01:30, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Powerpets is up for deletion here and I just tagged Zetapets as a speedy A7 because it failed to assert notability. MER-C 05:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Keep If you ask me, I don't think it matters! It should be kept, along with Zeta and Powerpets! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.160.123.223 (talk • contribs)

Note This was 84.160.123.223's first edit on Wikipedia.--Húsönd 15:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Keep as it has some large notability counts, Alexa ratings, et cetera. On another note, Marapets has been putting out ads in Google lately, I'm seeing them from serebii.net and its forums. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 14:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment serebii.net's forums are not a reliable source of information, especially when it's coming from Marapets' operators. ColourBurst 01:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment They're Google ads, not affiliation. Serebii is actually a Pokémon site, ColourBurst. The ads pitch it as an alternative to Neopets. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 03:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Keep: Second largest virtual pet site in terms of members, decent Alexa ranking. The article does need a lot of cleanup however. Kariià Deranged Ramblings 16:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Ads in google and membership (size) dont qualify as criteria for notability under WP:WEB. Are there multiple, nontrivial independant publications about Marapets? MidgleyDJ 20:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment The largest non-conglomerate site, since Neopets (the largest) is owned by Viacom. That's an upgrade, isn't it? Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 03:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Can't see why people are trying to get rid of a site entry... I thought the idea of this site is a place that people can come to get some reference information about sites... Isn't what this entry is doing... Giving us information about Marapets... I vote to keep it!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.36.209.173 (talk) .

Note This was 24.36.209.173's first edit on Wikipedia.--Húsönd 23:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment The definition of "information" on Wikipedia is information from third-party reliable sources. Since you're so confident that this is information, perhaps you can provide us with some of these third-party reliable sources. In addition, this discussion is not a vote. ColourBurst 01:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Although this is the only other major virtual pet site besides Neopets, it has a small amount of Google Hits: 103,000 results. And looking through them, barely any of them have anything to do with the website. Though the article could be merged into an article about virtual petsites. (Though I can't find any with actual information on them, just links to different ones) Don't forget about List Of Marapets if this article gets chopped. -HurricaneJeanne 17:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete --65.96.154.117 23:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as it currently fails WP:WEB, Tewfik^Talk 04:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This may seem a little biased as I am a member, but Mara has a good history, and is the second largest petsite on the Internet. We could add some more citations to make it less like opinions and have some cleanup, but other than that it looks fine to me.
  May I ask why Subeta is not on the list for deletion? - Torika

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.