Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manny Ortez

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Coredesat 06:43, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Manny Ortez

Not really nessacary, and not notable to Kerry supporters outside of Massachusetts or who are Red Sox fans. Possibly could be merged with John Kerry's main article. Knowing Is Half The Battle 05:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete Possibly worthy of a single sentance mention in John Kerry;s main article. A Danqualeism of this nature is not notable in any way. Manny Ortiz is not a real person, and a single slip of the tounge by a public figure is WAY below the notability baseline.

--Jayron32 05:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete The article seems to be composed entirely of OR. It may be notable that John Kerry once accidentally named "Manny Ortez" as his favorite player when no such player exists, but it's notable only in the context of Kerry and deserves no more than (at most) a passing mention on his article. --Hyperbole 06:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, not significant enough for own article, belongs as one sentence in Kerry article, maybe. NawlinWiki 11:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per points made above. PJM 12:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. How many times is this going to be brought up for deletion consideration? A notable gaffe with plenty of press coverage. --badlydrawnjeff talk 10:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

This may be the last time. PJM 16:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Heh. --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment Is it notable beyond the time Kerry made the gaffe? From what I understand its usage was confined mainly to the period after the slipup and has since been used only in isolated, nn instances. SliceNYC 06:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

It's still referred to rather consistently in Sox discussions, given that Ortiz and Manny still hit next to eachother in the Sox lineup. --badlydrawnjeff talk 12:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

But does that make it notable? It seems to have reached a current level of SoSH nickname, not a term used in either the political media (to describe mistakes) or sports media (to refer to the combo). You don't hear Brian Williams say that George Allen "pulled a Manny Ortez" or Peter Gammons talk about how the Yankee bullpen "won't be able to get Manny Ortez out." SliceNYC 15:45, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Gammons probably has referenced it at some point. In any case, the answer is yes. --badlydrawnjeff talk 03:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I don't feel it's notable. WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information, and this certainly seems better suited towards a short sentence in the articles of those involved. The article does not assert any notability or evidence of usage after the 15 minutes of fame in the press -- the fact that Gammons may have possibly mentioned it at some point in the last two and a half years doesn't assert that notability. SliceNYC 14:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and Hyperbole. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Soxcruft that might be relevant in Manny, Papi and Kerry's articles. SliceNYC 15:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
• weak keep per Badlydrawjeff presuming it becomes better sourced. JoshuaZ 20:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non notable, something a presidential candidate said by mistake should be, at the very most, menitioned in said persons article if at all. --Lord of Illusions 05:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

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