Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manene
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 02:49, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Manene
Not to step on the toes of Wikipedia:Poképrosal, but in addition to being a stub about an obscure Pokemon, this is a speculative stub about a future obscure Pokemon. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and whatnot. A Man In Black 10:18, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
- Agreed. Delete it, since it's either cruft or prophecy. Scimitar 14:28, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
- Keep It gives all the known facts. No speculation. If people want to know about the new pokémon then they can get the facts here. After all, it fits in with the current pokédex. There is no reason to delete it. Sonic Mew 20:47, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, if people want to get speculation, the internet is turgid with Pokemon fansites. This page has a scanned picture of the Pokemon, a name that might be changed before the Pokemon is mentioned in the US, and some speculation about Mr. Mime. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and there's no info here yet. When there is, this VfD hardly prevents a new article with some actual content and the correct English-language name from being made. A Man In Black 04:55, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
- I quote: "No speculation" This is the facts. It appears in a movie released in a month, and is a template for when the games are released. (XD in August and Diamond/Pearl in November.) So we may as well keep it. I have addded a little bit of information to it for now. Sonic Mew 06:46, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
- "Manene is the (unconfirmed) pre-evolution of Mr. Mime" is speculation. The rest is factual but marginal; it isn't known even known that Manene will be the English-language name, nor is it necessarily known that it will be in Pokemon XD or make any more than a cameo appearance in the next movie. (By the time Pearl/Diamond comes out, the Pokeprosal may have changed the way individual Pokemon articles are written, anyway.) Wikipedia still isn't a crystal ball, and, as there is practically zero info now (Here's a picture of a Pokemon, its name is this, Pokemon fans are speculating about it) and likely little information of value in for months if ever (I seriously doubt Manene is going to be the next Pikachu), I stand by my earlier assertions. A Man In Black 07:52, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
- It won't be the next Pikachu, but with that statement, you are stepping on Wikipedia:Poképrosal. There is no mention of Pokémon XD, (I did put it in first, but removed it myself in cleaning up my addition on the grounds of crystal ball.) It will be in the next movie, though. Coro Coro magazine has confirmed it. Sonic Mew 13:49, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
- "Manene is the (unconfirmed) pre-evolution of Mr. Mime" is speculation. The rest is factual but marginal; it isn't known even known that Manene will be the English-language name, nor is it necessarily known that it will be in Pokemon XD or make any more than a cameo appearance in the next movie. (By the time Pearl/Diamond comes out, the Pokeprosal may have changed the way individual Pokemon articles are written, anyway.) Wikipedia still isn't a crystal ball, and, as there is practically zero info now (Here's a picture of a Pokemon, its name is this, Pokemon fans are speculating about it) and likely little information of value in for months if ever (I seriously doubt Manene is going to be the next Pikachu), I stand by my earlier assertions. A Man In Black 07:52, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
- I quote: "No speculation" This is the facts. It appears in a movie released in a month, and is a template for when the games are released. (XD in August and Diamond/Pearl in November.) So we may as well keep it. I have addded a little bit of information to it for now. Sonic Mew 06:46, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, if people want to get speculation, the internet is turgid with Pokemon fansites. This page has a scanned picture of the Pokemon, a name that might be changed before the Pokemon is mentioned in the US, and some speculation about Mr. Mime. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and there's no info here yet. When there is, this VfD hardly prevents a new article with some actual content and the correct English-language name from being made. A Man In Black 04:55, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. When it makes it into the series or the games there will be more information avaliable for fans to complete the article, no? So let's just leave it be for now. --Sn0wflake 23:29, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
- I think we should keep it. Joizashmo 00:51, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. NeoJustin 03:15, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. All pokemon. Klonimus 07:44, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
- Even unreleased ones? I'd be right with you if even, say, Murkrow or Forretress were on VfD, since the Pokeprosal is going to deal with all of those rather than piecemealing things on VfD. This isn't a notability challenge, though; it's a Wikipedia is not a crystal ball challenge. A Man In Black 07:52, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
- From my experience, notability takes priority over crystal ball. I mentioned the next-gen consoles above, and they are definately notable enough to stay. But one could argue that they are still crystal ball topics. Since crystal ball is the only reason to delete Manene at this time, it is a matter of whether it is notable enough to remain until release. And will it be crystal ball after the 8th Pokémon movie premieres next month? Sonic Mew 18:04, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
- Even unreleased ones? I'd be right with you if even, say, Murkrow or Forretress were on VfD, since the Pokeprosal is going to deal with all of those rather than piecemealing things on VfD. This isn't a notability challenge, though; it's a Wikipedia is not a crystal ball challenge. A Man In Black 07:52, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
- Obvious Delete: content is ridiculous, non-notable and unencyclopedic. Martg76 22:09, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
- I'm going to challenge that statement. It is not ridiculous: It is true. It is not non-notable: It is a new Pokémon that fans will want to know about. (And there is a link from the Diamond/Pearl page.) And as for unencyclopedic: Poképrosal is discussing it, so that is no reason for vfd at this time. Sonic Mew 13:44, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. Wikipedia is currently the #1 location for confirmed information on future/upcoming pokémon. Almafeta 23:43, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Are you serious or sarcastic? A Man In Black 03:46, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Serious. On other websites, you see things like "Well, Newlegendarymon is going to be a Bug-Psychic type. This is because the previous legendaries have been alternating as fliers-nonfliers, and elemental-physical-psychic, (as long as you don't count Moltres, because he doesn't count), and the types have been going by reverse Japanese alphabetical order, so we are due for a non-flying Bug Psychic pokémon." This page is rather free of such speculation. Almafeta 16:07, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- "Manene is the (unconfirmed) pre-evolution of Mr. Mime" isn't speculation? A Man In Black 20:01, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- "It is widely believed to be the pre-evolution of Mr. Mime" isn't speculation, though. It says what the entire fan-base believes is true now. Almafeta has a point, with NPOV we are giving the facts as facts. Thus, this is the best place to have such a article and vfd wouldn't do any good. Sonic Mew 07:41, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
- "Manene is the (unconfirmed) pre-evolution of Mr. Mime" isn't speculation? A Man In Black 20:01, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Serious. On other websites, you see things like "Well, Newlegendarymon is going to be a Bug-Psychic type. This is because the previous legendaries have been alternating as fliers-nonfliers, and elemental-physical-psychic, (as long as you don't count Moltres, because he doesn't count), and the types have been going by reverse Japanese alphabetical order, so we are due for a non-flying Bug Psychic pokémon." This page is rather free of such speculation. Almafeta 16:07, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Are you serious or sarcastic? A Man In Black 03:46, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete non notable. JamesBurns 09:06, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete this is ridiculous. Grue 11:31, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- In what way is it ridiculous? Sonic Mew 20:23, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
- This is ridiculous fancruft, original research and crystal-ballery. I don't think that Pokemons should be an exception to these rules. Grue 05:04, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not paper: There is no reason to delete something for 'fancruft'. Besides, it is part of a project and would only get put back at a later date. You don't need a Crystal ball to see Manene coming. It will be in a movie next month! Original research is interesting, though? Can you proove that it is original research? Sonic Mew 20:23, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
- This is ridiculous fancruft, original research and crystal-ballery. I don't think that Pokemons should be an exception to these rules. Grue 05:04, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- In what way is it ridiculous? Sonic Mew 20:23, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
- KEEP, all other pokémon have articles, and this pokémon has been confirmed and has a picture. --GVOLTT 14:18, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
- KEEP AS WELL This Pokemon is confrimed And Should still be listed k thanks. --PeterAKer 12:25, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, as with any other POKéMON. No different from Usohachi, Manyula and Munchlax, none of which have been on VfD. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 13:55, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
